Dumptruck Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 The newest brother from the Quiet Isle. ;-)I surely hope so, he will fight gallantly - then die,,,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarksReign Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 I usually skip the appendixes of this series. So out of boredom, I started browsing the appendix of ADWD. This is what I found which is puzzling to me. Pg 991, under 'House Stark', Jojen was describe as 'a boy blessed with green sight'. Pg 1002, under 'Beyond the Wall', Jojen was describe as 'cursed with greensight'. Anyone care to enlighten? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dornishman's Wife Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 That's an interesting observation. Seems strange at first, but it does make a subtle kind of sense:Greensight has advantages and disadvantages. South of the wall in the lands of the Starks, it was mainly a cool thing, what with the prophetic dreams and general zen-ness and so on. However, on his journey beyond the Wall, the frailty of greenseers really bit, what with the cold and so on and he becomes more and more depressed. Also, there is a popular theory that Jojen was killed by the Children of the Forest and fed to Bran in the "weirwood paste" (presumably cause a greenseer is a strong sacrifice and/or whoever eats him gets some of his power). While many are quite convinced of that theory, there are also people who find the mere idea absolutely ludicrous and there are only hints, no outright proof -- but if true, it would highlight another downside to his greensight which only manifested beyond the Wall.Just for reference, the Feast for Crows appendix lists Jojen, but doesn't mention his greensight at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrionthebest Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 That's an interesting observation. Seems strange at first, but it does make a subtle kind of sense:Greensight has advantages and disadvantages. South of the wall in the lands of the Starks, it was mainly a cool thing, what with the prophetic dreams and general zen-ness and so on. However, on his journey beyond the Wall, the frailty of greenseers really bit, what with the cold and so on and he becomes more and more depressed. Also, there is a popular theory that Jojen was killed by the Children of the Forest and fed to Bran in the "weirwood paste" (presumably cause a greenseer is a strong sacrifice and/or whoever eats him gets some of his power). While many are quite convinced of that theory, there are also people who find the mere idea absolutely ludicrous and there are only hints, no outright proof -- but if true, it would highlight another downside to his greensight which only manifested beyond the Wall.Just for reference, the Feast for Crows appendix lists Jojen, but doesn't mention his greensight at all.That theory quite frankly sucks to be honest . Though I have faith in GRRM that he would not pull such a bullshit thing . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dornishman's Wife Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Whether GRRM "pulled that bullshit thing" on top of it all or not (I tried to only mention that theory, not to judge in either direction, as there are threads about it already *hint*), Jojen's experiences beyond the Wall don't exactly win him a "luckiest guy in the world" award: He's sickly and troubled, his greeny-physique is badly equipped to deal with the hardship beyond the Wall and his dreams don't bring him so much fun (his certainty that "the dreams don't lie" being tied to his depression). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spork Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 In one of Tyrion's chapters, when they are en route to Meereen via the Stinky Steward, Penny is telling him about her time in Braavos. She says: "We performed for the Sealord of Braavos once, and he laughed so hard that afterward he gave each of us a...a grand gift". She clearly hesitates before saying grand gift, like she was about to say something else. Then Tyrion kind of changes the subject. Anybody have any theories as to what the Sealord gave them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jem Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 In one of Tyrion's chapters, when they are en route to Meereen via the Stinky Steward, Penny is telling him about her time in Braavos. She says: "We performed for the Sealord of Braavos once, and he laughed so hard that afterward he gave each of us a...a grand gift". She clearly hesitates before saying grand gift, like she was about to say something else. Then Tyrion kind of changes the subject. Anybody have any theories as to what the Sealord gave them?Here is a thread about that topic; http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/57529-sealords-gift-for-penny/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spork Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Thank you! I hate that the search function doesn't work, it makes for stupid questions like mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pourthedamhypocras Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 How did the first Reek die? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galen M Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 How did the first Reek die?Ramsay killed him and stole his identity, so he could escape the blame of Lady Hornwood's rape and murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domeric Bolton Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Ramsay killed him and stole his identity, so he could escape the blame of Lady Hornwood's rape and murder.I beleive the Northerners killed Reek because they thought he was Ramsay trying to escape. Ramsay then dressed up in rags and filth and pretended to be Reek, until he could reveal himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starky Smurf Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 I beleive the Northerners killed Reek because they thought he was Ramsay trying to escape. Ramsay then dressed up in rags and filth and pretended to be Reek, until he could reveal himself.Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walder_Frey Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Assuming that Young Griff really is Aegon, who has a better claim to the throne, he or Dany? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dornishman's Wife Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 He has. Rhaegar's trueborn children come before Rhaegar's siblings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galen M Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Assuming that Young Griff really is Aegon, who has a better claim to the throne, he or Dany?Technically, Aegon, but, pragmatically, the one with Dragons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Tomas Yellowsnow Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 I've got a question. Is Beric Dondarrion dead now? They tell the Frey that his light passed to cat but one of the people there had one eye, the same when they had Brienne too, there was a guy with one eye and Beric lost bis eye fighting the mountain but then why would they lie to some frey they're gonna hang anyway, perhaps they have many one eyed friends but i doubt it.The guy with one eye your speaking of is Jack-Be-Lucky, one of Lord Beric's men before Beric gave the kiss to Cat " the women who helped kill her husband, and her son" Tully-Stark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Tomas Yellowsnow Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 This seems to be the only logical (but who says everything needs to be logical) conclusion based on what Bloodraven has explicitly stated to Bran. He told Bran that he'd never walk again, but he would fly. If he was referring to warging into crows and other winged beasts, then Bran hasn't stopped walking since his accident. He walks all the time in Summer's skin, and more recently in Hodors.Really hoping that he worg's into Hoder and becomes the "Knight" he's always wanted to be. Why not? While he's in the cave send the 7 foot monster with the Iron sword out into the world to reave his "justice". If anything though out the books Bran has never lost his sense of right and wrong. Hoder Hoder Hoder! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jem Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Really hoping that he worg's into Hoder and becomes the "Knight" he's always wanted to be. Why not? While he's in the cave send the 7 foot monster with the Iron sword out into the world to reave his "justice". If anything though out the books Bran has never lost his sense of right and wrong. Hoder Hoder Hoder!Though many would argue that it is extremely 'wrong' of Bran to warg Hodor at all. It certainly seems to distress Hodor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrionthebest Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Technically, Aegon, but, pragmatically, the one with Dragons.Having dragons doesn't mean shit if you can't control them .Even GRRM said so . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrionthebest Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 The guy with one eye your speaking of is Jack-Be-Lucky, one of Lord Beric's men before Beric gave the kiss to Cat " the women who helped kill her husband, and her son" Tully-Stark.Was it really necessary to say that other than being a unoriginal Cat hater ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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