Sevumar Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Catelyn hate isn't an unpopular opinion. Catelyn is probably the single most despised character in the books, because she dares to not like the hero Jon. I don't think this is quite fair to say. I feel bad for Catelyn, because she's never had much say in her destiny. She and her sister were doled out like commodities, and even though that's usual for noble women, their marriages lacked even a veneer of normalcy. She seems like the kind of person who really tried to make the best of her situation, but she's far from perfect. I think you have to keep the issue of Jon being a "hero" and Catelyn's dislike of him separate. One comes from the knowledge of a reader, while Catelyn can only behave according to what she knows in the story. I understand the way she feels about a sign of her husband's supposed infidelity being around all the time, but there's no excuse for her to mistreat him. She's an adult, and she should know better than to take out her feelings about her husband's actions on a child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tagganaro Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Being in charge of a sewage system is actually a pretty good first job. My first job was spent smiling sweetly at rude people while escorting them to their tables, and cleaning bathrooms. I don't see the message there; I see a first job and an opportunity to prove oneself capable of taking on further responsibility. Sansa loves Jon, by the by, and had a good relationship with him. She gave him advice on girls and they played together as children. haha. As far as I know Alexia, you are not a lord's child though. I can't imagine any other noble child was ever given a job such as that in Westeros. As for Sansa and Jon- I guess I was wrong. Didn't really have much to go on other than remembering something about Sansa/Jon and bastard being involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexia Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 haha. As far as I know Alexia, you are not a lord's child though. I can't imagine any other noble child was ever given a job such as that in Westeros.Why not? Tyrion seems to look back on his success with it as a point of pride -- he was managing the whole system, after all, not cleaning the drains out himself. I imagine that most young noblemen become knights, but I doubt that they were giving important jobs (and face it, managing a castle sewage system is a pretty important task) to random peasants. Personally cleaning out the drains would, of course, be a different matter all together. IIRC, LF's first job was as a clerk (?) and certainly managing an entire sewage system for a castle entails significantly greater responsibility. Tywin is very sensitive about the name of House Lannister so he isn't going to give Tyrion a job that would cause him to become a target for mockery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediocre cheese Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 The first "job" most lords get is being a squire, which involves grooming their knight's horse and cleaning his armor. I'd rather be in charge of a sewage system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevumar Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 The first "job" most lords get is being a squire, which involves grooming their knight's horse and cleaning his armor. I'd rather be in charge of a sewage system. It does make you wonder how much time there is to learn how to administer a castle/holding and rule your lands if your training is focused on warfare. Even with all the horrors of his childhood, Tyrion did manage to ensure that he got a better education than just about anyone except a maester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexia Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 I'd imagine that is part of why Jaime doesn't seem the most politically astute guy and certainly not Tywin's equal. We know that he was off squiring and fighting bandits when he was young, whereas Tyrion was managing a sewage system and reading everything he could get his hands on. Then you wind up with Tyrion doing a pretty good job of administering KL, whereas Jaime was doing a pretty good job as a conquering general. I suspect a lot of lords delegate the administrative tasks to others (nobles not as high on the tree). For example, Tarly doesn't read well (moving his lips) and scorns education, and I can't imagine that he is that capable an administrator, even if he is considered a great general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Tom Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 As for Sansa and Jon- I guess I was wrong. Didn't really have much to go on other than remembering something about Sansa/Jon and bastard being involved. I'm sure there's a part if Feast when she thinks about him quite fondly, cant remember if she thinks of him as a bastard more that he's her only brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kephv Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 I'm sure there's a part if Feast when she thinks about him quite fondly, cant remember if she thinks of him as a bastard more that he's her only brother. There is. After she hears he's the Lord Commander of the NW, she mentions that she's a bastard like him now, and then thinks how sweet it would be to see him again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARYa_Nym Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 I'm not sure if this is an unpopular opinion but the sooner Jorah dies the better. I didn't miss him at all when he was gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Many and More Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 All we know of Tywin is that he completely hates Tyrion and left him in charge of the sewage system at Casterly Rock- If that isn't a message I don't know what is haha. Huh. I thought it was a GRRM homage to Lois McMaster Bujold's Miles Vorkosigan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendoza Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 My unpopular opinion of the day: Arya Stark was justified in killing Dareon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashcandy Posted October 15, 2011 Author Share Posted October 15, 2011 I'm not sure if this is an unpopular opinion but the sooner Jorah dies the better. I didn't miss him at all when he was gone. :( the hairy bear, Arya, have mercy! I rather like Jorah... he's too stubborn to die.. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackseer Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 The whole concept of work was different in the medieval times and I guess it's the same as Westeros. Fighting battles and protecting castles were more important habilities than administrating them. That's why most high lords have stewards, who take cares of the daily life, like Vayon Poole did for Ned. As exemples, Jon didn't take nicely when he was chose to be a steward, because he felt than the others and Arya thinks that Sansa is bad with house management, even if she is everything a lady should be. So, people like Tyrion and LF, who takes pride in doing smaller jobs, are the minority and the fact that both of them are rising high may mean that Westeros will take a different political and ideological stance when the series is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARYa_Nym Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 :( the hairy bear, Arya, have mercy! I rather like Jorah... he's too stubborn to die.. :)LOL, I'm sorry. :devil: IA, he certainly has shown himself to be too stubborn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashcandy Posted October 15, 2011 Author Share Posted October 15, 2011 Can you imagine a Jorah/Victarion meet up! That would be classic :) My unpopular opinion: I want Cersei to kill Varys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendoza Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Can you imagine a Jorah/Victarion meet up! That would be classic :) My unpopular opinion: I want Cersei to kill Varys Heh... I'd rather her get lost trying to find Varys in those secret passageways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARYa_Nym Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 I would be delighted if Jorah and Victarion killed each other but I can't see that happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashcandy Posted October 15, 2011 Author Share Posted October 15, 2011 Heh... I'd rather her get lost trying to find Varys in those secret passageways. :lmao: I would be delighted if Jorah and Victarion killed each other but I can't see that happening. I would want Jorah to kill Victarion for sure, but he's like some supernatural SOB now.. so he's not going down too easily.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordBloodraven Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 THE TULLY'S WERE GIVEN RIVERRUN BY AEGON AFTER HE KILLED HARREN THE BLACK. I wrote you a very nice paragraph back on page two, how dare you not read it. The Tyrells were also given great house status after the Gardener kings were killed and Aegon decide more pliable pawns would be useful.No, they were made Lord Paramount of Riverlands by Aegon the Conqueror. They were already Lords of Riverrun for a thousand of years, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordBloodraven Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Catelyn hate isn't an unpopular opinion. Catelyn is probably the single most despised character in the books, because she dares to not like the hero Jon.And besides, she start a war and make her son lose it. Yet, she doesn't have the decency to stay dead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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