Dog advice.

[NestorMakhnosLovechild]

And as for the pups, each of them belongs to someone I know personally. Loads of them members of kennel clubs. Content now?

Imagine if I opened a thread asking for family advice... *Shudder*

No worries, I suspect that the odds of someone recommending that you be neutered rises exponentially with each new page of this thread...

So, what's your issue with neutering again? I must have missed it when you ignored the question the first time.

[Rolex Baratheon]

No worries, I suspect that the odds of someone recommending that you be neutered rises exponentially with each new page of this thread...

So, what's your issue with neutering again? I must have missed it when you ignored the question the first time.

Doesn't neutering have side effects?

And I'm happy with the suggestions and answers that actually help. I'm not happys with the venomous, yet subtle, implications being made about how people keep dogs where I'm from.

[NestorMakhnosLovechild]

Doesn't neutering have side effects?

Yes. One of the side effects is not producing 30 unexpected puppies.

[Greywolf2375]

Doesn't neutering have side effects?

Yes, the animals are less aggressive, don't feel the same need to mark territory, etc. Negative effects? Aside from having a surgery and recovery, not really.

[Tobin]

What we're saying is that just fixing the girl will not correct the problem.

The two males are still getting testosterone surges and are fighting for dominance for the opportunity to mate should it come available.

Even though it won't be with your girl - there are other dogs in the area who are probably unfixed and will come into heat.

I saw my neighbor's dog go into heat one year and dogs from all over the island came to fight for her. Even if your boys are chained up 24/7 - they're going to have the instinct to fight/find a breeding opportunity.

If you don't want to breed them, what is your objection to having them fixed? It will solve all the problems and you will be guaranteed to not have any more puppies.

[Rolex Baratheon]

Yes, the animals are less aggressive, don't feel the same need to mark territory, etc. Negative effects? Aside from having a surgery and recovery, not really.

Don't they face depression or something? Or am I confusing them with humans? That is the problem I have.If I didn't give a shit about my dogs' welfare I would not have gotten the female spayed for crying out loud.

Either way, I asked for answers, I wanted answers. It was quite frankly none of your business how I keep dogs, if you wanted to interrogate me you should've inboxed me. All this ridiculous interrogation is pretty much spam in this thread. Spamming and nothing more. I know you want to showcase how much you , love your dogs, but please do it elsewhere.

If I was the sort of owner you guys are strongly implying I'd be feeding my male viagra and taping the beatings he gives the other one.

[RaceBannon42]

You can neuter a dog too early, and that's an issue I have with many rescues. But once they have had a chance to physically mature, they are better off healthwise to have them fixed. 10 months is easily old enough to not run into any issues.

http://www.aspca.org/pet-care/spayneuter/spay-neuter-top-ten.aspx

[Kelli Fury]

Sorry you don't like the advice but having your males fixed will likely stop it all. Unless you already have homes for potential puppies, it IS irresponsible to breed more. I don't know what your area is, but I'd bet you a million dollars there's an animal shelter or rescue around. Your dogs are of common breeds, the gene pool does not suffer without them. There are enough dogs that are homeless because the breeder was not being deliberate and selective in making them. It isn't about about your dogs, I'm sure they are well treated and happy. This is about your potential puppies maybe ending up in a shelter someday, or taking homes that might otherwise adopt a shelter animal. NOBODY has puppies thinking "awesome, these dogs will die in a shelter cage!" but many dogs do and what you are thoughtlessly doing is why. Sorry if you don't like hearing it but you need to and you asked.

[Rolex Baratheon]

When the heck did say I don't want advice? I started a thread asking for advice. Huge logic fail on your part dude. I was reluctant about neutering because I heard it has side effects. Is that bad? No - its the opposite of it.

I asked for advice which I only got after the racism, the condescending attitude and the baseless allegations. And constant ignorance of the fact that I already to you - I had the female spayed when I realized too much breeding is bad.

Now how in the world can too much breeding be bad for a 10 month old golden retriever who hasn't done it yet. LOL.

Advice: Get the male neutered.

Unnecessary, offensive, baseless spam: 'Where I'm from we take good care of dogs' and 'Where did you send the pups? Did you kill them? Did you? Did you?" 90% spam, 10% advice. No I'm not thankful.

[MercenaryChef]

crate training is fucking awesome!

[Nukelavee]

Rolex - no, seriously, the males aren't going to be depressed without balls. You might notice weight gain, or them being a bit less active, but that's about it.

The pup is the one I'd advise fixing, simply because it hasn't already had it's behaviour ingrained. That is, the older male might not change much at all in temperment.

But, yeah, unfixed males will fight more, and teh fights will be more serious. On the other hand, fixed, they will wander less, or attempt to wander less.

on a side note - do any of you others really think teh tone of your posts is going to actually get Rolex to listen to you?

Seriously, tho, Rolex, you'd make your life, and your dogs', that much easier if you had them fixed.

[Rolex Baratheon]

Rolex - no, seriously, the males aren't going to be depressed without balls. You might notice weight gain, or them being a bit less active, but that's about it.

The pup is the one I'd advise fixing, simply because it hasn't already had it's behaviour ingrained. That is, the older male might not change much at all in temperment.

But, yeah, unfixed males will fight more, and teh fights will be more serious. On the other hand, fixed, they will wander less, or attempt to wander less.

on a side note - do any of you others really think teh tone of your posts is going to actually get Rolex to listen to you?

Seriously, tho, Rolex, you'd make your life, and your dogs', that much easier if you had them fixed.

I could've done with what you told me and what the others told me without a whole load of interrogation and lame trolling alongside it. Spam, offensive and ridiculous, starting from the second or third reply to the topic.

Honestly I still do not understand how its any of your business what I do with the dogs. Very little of where their pups went and what my role in their creation was, has anything to do with what I asked. Seriously I know being condescending makes you appear damn cool, but do it elsewhere. One of those politics threads maybe.

[Kelli Fury]

Rolex, the reason people are very against you breeding is that you clearly aren't doing so thoughtfully. You have said you don't know when your female gets pregnant. You have said you have bred 30 puppies by the same parents. Nobody, and I mean nobody, repeats a breeding year after year unless those pups have consistently been champions. I'll tell you a secret- like your dogs I menstruate on a cycle (breeding season!) but that doesn't mean I should be pregnant all those times. That you think a fixed male might be less healthy shows how little you know and how little you have researched it.

[Rolex Baratheon]

Rolex, the reason people are very against you breeding is that you clearly aren't doing so thoughtfully. You have said you don't know when your female gets pregnant. You have said you have bred 30 puppies by the same parents. Nobody, and I mean nobody, repeats a breeding year after year unless those pups have consistently been champions. I'll tell you a secret- like your dogs I menstruate on a cycle (breeding season!) but that doesn't mean I should be pregnant all those times. That you think a fixed male might be less healthy shows how little you know and how little you have researched it.

For Gods sake when will you people realize

1. I wasn't living with my family for like 2 of the times the female gave birth

2. I'm not.... How the heck am I responsible for them breeding? Whenever I saw them at it I ignored it thinking it is natural!

A common misconception (based on what, I don't know, aside from the fact some posters seem to think I'm a piece of crap) is that I'm against neutering.

... Where the heck did I mislead you into thinking that? I've already said I have some reservations about it, which is normal for anyone taking their dog into major surgery, I didn't say I've completely tossed the idea into the bin so for heavens sake stop thinking I've rejected it completely.

[Reny of Storms End]

Are you opposed to neutering the males Rolex?

ETA: Whoops missed the posts before mine where this was addressed. Sorry everyone.

[MercenaryChef]

dude, there is likely nothing genetically notable about the puppies you are creating. the world is not at all in need of more dogs. there is currently not a dog shortage. people making more dogs or cats for that matter simply because they can is repugnant. unless your dogs have all been health tested for genetic abnormalities and are the superiority of the breed they represent they have no reason at all to reproduce.

this is meant to sound akin to eugenics. as eugenics is the right and true path to responsible and sensible pet breeding.

[Rolex Baratheon]

Are you opposed to neutering the males Rolex?

No but I have my reservations. I've said this a few times now.

dude, there is likely nothing genetically notable about the puppies you are creating. the world is not at all in need of more dogs. there is currently not a dog shortage. people making more dogs or cats for that matter simply because they can is repugnant. unless your dogs have all been health tested for genetic abnormalities and are gestalts of the breed they represent they have no reason at all to reproduce.

this is meant to sound akin to eugenics. as eugenics is the right and true path to responsible and sensible pet breeding.

Read my last post, where I specifically stated that I am not responsible for the births of dogs. LOL. Are you for real? And the first litter that was born which had a stillbirth, we spayed the female.

The only role I've played in the reproduction of my dogs is that I had it stopped. Now please quit it with the nonsensical blaming of me for something happening between two animals.

[MercenaryChef]

unless you have stopped them from being able to reproduce you are responsible. how hard is that to understand? if your animals are intact you are responsible.

[Yagathai]

I could've done with what you told me and what the others told me without a whole load of interrogation and lame trolling alongside it. Spam, offensive and ridiculous, starting from the second or third reply to the topic.

Honestly I still do not understand how its any of your business what I do with the dogs. Very little of where their pups went and what my role in their creation was, has anything to do with what I asked. Seriously I know being condescending makes you appear damn cool, but do it elsewhere. One of those politics threads maybe.

Well, it's our business because YOU ASKED OUR ADVICE. WITH A THREAD. ON THIS BOARD. WHICH WE READ. And if we seem condescending, it's because you seem to be reveling in (or at very least defending) your ignorance on what should be a very, very, very basic tenet of responsible animal stewardship, and now you're attempting to avoid responsibility. I mean, look, if I caught my parents kicking their cats around the backyard for fun, the fact that I was living at home wouldn't keep me from trying to stop them, especially thirty puppies later.

Thirty puppies! Do you know how hard it is to place thirty puppies? Do you know how hard it is to place ONE unwanted animal? Do you know how many of those puppies will end up on the street or dying in a concrete box in a shelter somewhere? Do you know how much suffering you've put into the world by allowing, actively or passively, those thirty puppies to be born? Can you imagine how many of those puppies are going to have to be euthanized by someone who loves animals enough to take responsibility for putting an innocent dog to death because you don't give a fuck about your responsibilities? Just because you clearly give zero shits about doing the most basic bit of research on the topic?

It's not "lame trolling", you ignorant, irresponsible child. It's the collective outcry of a thinking, caring community at an ongoing atrocity.

[Reny of Storms End]

Read my last post, where I specifically stated that I am not responsible for the births of dogs. LOL. Are you for real? And the first litter that was born which had a stillbirth, we spayed the female.

The only role I've played in the reproduction of my dogs is that I had it stopped. Now please quit it with the nonsensical blaming of me for something happening between two animals.

I think what other posters are suggesting is that if the animals are your's and live with you, then you are responsible for any reproduction that might occur. For the simple fact that you were keeping two animals, in heat, together.