Lord Bronn Stokeworth Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Why are people arguing whether it was easy to not surrender Storm's End? It doesn't matter. A rather big anti-Stannis fan said it best.Come on. Holding out offered the only means of possible survival. The only remarkable thing Stannis achieved in that...and it is to his credit...is that he managed to prevent people facing less certain death from capitulating around him, although they would likely have died, too.Whether it would have been good for him to surrender or not is not really anything? Why are Stannis fans arguing this? It's simply not worth it. What is important is that Stannis kept his army from giving up when they had far less to lose (and probably would have been rewarded with more than just food).That's the only thing that needs to be argued and even guy who I've seen repeatedly take anti-Stannis stances admits that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Except that Macbeth had no basis for his actions beyond naked ambition. But hey, nice comparison anyway.Yes, he does. His wife was ahead of Duncan in the line of succession.More, from a legal position, Stannis has no basis either.He THINKS Joff et al are bastard products of incest. Based on hair color. He doesn't know, nor have proof. We know he is right...he does not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Bronn Stokeworth Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Yes, he does. His wife was ahead of Duncan in the line of succession.More, from a legal position, Stannis has no basis either.He THINKS Joff et al are bastard products of incest. Based on hair color. He doesn't know, nor have proof.We know he is right...he does not.Where does it say he thinks?We know, from knowledge of genetics, about recessive genes. Stannis does not. Just because he could be wrong does not mean he doesn't believe he is 100% sure he is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay Gimp Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Where does it say he thinks?We know, from knowledge of genetics, about recessive genes. Stannis does not. Just because he could be wrong does not mean he doesn't believe he is 100% sure he is right.Thats's what James is saying, I think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Bronn Stokeworth Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Thats's what James is saying, I think...Then, James has an odd position. Stannis is 100% sure he is right. And we the readers know he is correct. But he lacks a legal basis because he does not know a futuristic science that no one in Westeros knows about and lacks the proof that we modern era people would expect? That doesn't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ororo727 Jon Snow Fangirl Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Because Stannis knows no joy and hasn't any empathy for anyone. He doesn't take joy in anything eating, fucking, fighting, family or anything. All he sees is his duty and his rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witches Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 can we just make a "why stannis would be a good king" thread instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daario's*before*Snows Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Stannis will be a great King, if you want to live like a North Korean. Just wait for his no laughing at dinner policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ororo727 Jon Snow Fangirl Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 can we just make a "why stannis would be a good king" thread instead?Make one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Mac Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 He doesn't take joy in anything eating, fucking, fighting, family or anything.Robert took much pleasure in the first three, and yet he gets criticized for it. It shows that none of these are relevant in being a good king. What is relevant is doing your job, which Stannis would do.And while I certainly wouldn't call him "empathetic," he surely is an advocate for social justice. He castrated his own men that had raped wildling women. He sought to outlaw brothels, something unheard of and immediately brushed off. We can assume he did this for the rights of the women that worked as prostitutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Tippy Wolfsbane Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 He THINKS Joff et al are bastard products of incest. Based on hair color. He doesn't know, nor have proof.We know he is right...he does not.Stannis honestly believes, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that Cersei's children are bastards. He may not be able to prove it, but all his actions are based on this belief that he holds as 100% true. That is all that matters. If Stannis was operating on the belief that he may or may not be right, then I would have a series problem with his actions. can we just make a "why stannis would be a good king" thread instead?Unfortunately, it would still become a bash fest against Stannis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Tippy Wolfsbane Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Because Stannis knows no joy and hasn't any empathy for anyone.Stannis shows empathy for others, especially Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witches Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Make one.tempted butUnfortunately, it would still become a bash fest against Stannis.probably. yaaaawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ororo727 Jon Snow Fangirl Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Stannis shows empathy for others, especially Jon.No he doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Mac Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 tempted butprobably. yaaaawn.Stannis threads are 100% likely to contain-Extreme pro-Stannis comments (usually regarding his experience, hard personality or battle tactics)-Extreme anti-Stannis comments (finding flaws in his battle tactics, mentioning burning people and Melisandre, how he does not think for himself etc.)-A decently long conversation concerning the line of succession ("might makes right" will be used at least five times by anti-Stannis posters)-15+ pages of back and forth arguing, using well over done points and references to the books. (logic will fade out long before the thread is locked, and it will all be resorted to a no vs. yes argument)And there are at least 2 of these threads a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Tippy Wolfsbane Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 No he doesn't.If you say so. Stannis threads are 100% likely to contain-Extreme pro-Stannis comments (usually regarding his experience, hard personality or battle tactics)-Extreme anti-Stannis comments (finding flaws in his battle tactics, mentioning burning people and Melisandre, how he does not think for himself etc.)-A decently long conversation concerning the line of succession ("might makes right" will be used at least five times by anti-Stannis posters)-15+ pages of back and forth arguing, using well over done points and references to the books. (logic will fade out long before the thread is locked, and it will all be resorted to a no vs. yes argument)And there are at least 2 of these threads a week. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daario's*before*Snows Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Stannis threads are 100% likely to contain-Extreme pro-Stannis comments (usually regarding his experience, hard personality or battle tactics)-Extreme anti-Stannis comments (finding flaws in his battle tactics, mentioning burning people and Melisandre, how he does not think for himself etc.)-A decently long conversation concerning the line of succession ("might makes right" will be used at least five times by anti-Stannis posters)-15+ pages of back and forth arguing, using well over done points and references to the books. (logic will fade out long before the thread is locked, and it will all be resorted to a no vs. yes argument)And there are at least 2 of these threads a week.Same thing for all threads, if they last long enough Stannis eventually invades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witches Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Stannis threads are 100% likely to contain-Extreme pro-Stannis comments (usually regarding his experience, hard personality or battle tactics)-Extreme anti-Stannis comments (finding flaws in his battle tactics, mentioning burning people and Melisandre, how he does not think for himself etc.)-A decently long conversation concerning the line of succession ("might makes right" will be used at least five times by anti-Stannis posters)-15+ pages of back and forth arguing, using well over done points and references to the books. (logic will fade out long before the thread is locked, and it will all be resorted to a no vs. yes argument)And there are at least 2 of these threads a week.ahaha i'm starting to see that (i'm super new to this whole site, hi guys) but, you know, at least it's a decent improvement from "i don't like stannis because he's mean to people and killed renly". i guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ororo727 Jon Snow Fangirl Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 If you say so. :laugh:This is the why Stannis wouldn't be a good king thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Tippy Wolfsbane Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 This is the why Stannis wouldn't be a good king thread.I read that at the top of the page and was fully aware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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