First of My Name Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 I haven't encountered this kind of threat yet, and I thought it would be interesting. I don't think or hope this will happen, but it is, of course, a possibility...Martin's characters are gray. Some bad guys turn out to be okay, and the other way. If we had to chose heroes, it would be the Stark family... but what if Martin pulls a Martin and they turn out to be the ANTAGONISTS?Imagine:Bran, a servant of the great other beyond the wall, spending the rest of hi life in the shadows, Bloodraven is Mel's opposite concerning views so this is actually not that unlikely...Jon, serving as AAR and PTWP for R'hllor (the god of the enemy?) He fights for his faith, which turns out not be so light after all...Sansa, who's been predicted to off Littlefinger, actually becomes his successor...Arya, an assassin without a heart, killing and killing and killing...Rickon, a mindless savage and a beast, living with cannibals, that won't turn out pretty...What other ways could they turn out as villains? How would it affect the story and your view of the story? What would you think if you end up hating them as much as Joffrey (so to speak), and you're left rooting for someone like Cersei to win?Improbable and unlikely... but not impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theda Baratheon Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 I'd be so upset if this theory bloomed into fruition. But not upset in a ''this is ridiculous'' way, upset in a genuinely melancholy way for the Stark's fate. I trust in GRRM to create a wonderful conclusion to this materpiece of his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firepoet Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 There's actually been a lot of discussion in the Hersey threads that past Starks weren't exactly choir boys, so it may not be ridiculous that the children don't grow up to be shining paragons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Heir of Bear Island Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 I haven't encountered this kind of threat yet, and I thought it would be interesting. I don't think or hope this will happen, but it is, of course, a possibility...Martin's characters are gray. Some bad guys turn out to be okay, and the other way. If we had to chose heroes, it would be the Stark family... but what if Martin pulls a Martin and they turn out to be the ANTAGONISTS?Imagine:Bran, a servant of the great other beyond the wall, spending the rest of hi life in the shadows, Bloodraven is Mel's opposite concerning views so this is actually not that unlikely...Jon, serving as AAR and PTWP for R'hllor (the god of the enemy?) He fights for his faith, which turns out not be so light after all...Sansa, who's been predicted to off Littlefinger, actually becomes his successor...Arya, an assassin without a heart, killing and killing and killing...Rickon, a mindless savage and a beast, living with cannibals, that won't turn out pretty...What other ways could they turn out as villains? How would it affect the story and your view of the story? What would you think if you end up hating them as much as Joffrey (so to speak), and you're left rooting for someone like Cersei to win?Improbable and unlikely... but not impossible.No not impossible at all. Teh only one I don't agree with is Jon, then again he isn't really a Stark, he could be a Targ. If something like this did happen, they wouldn't truely be villians though, but rather heros that turned evil due to the circumstances they were put in. They had to turn evil, in an evil world to survive. I don't hate it, and I'm a huge Stark supporter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angmar Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 It could happen, nothing's for sure...But I think the readers would still root for them, if they have always been fond of the family... :frown5:Dunno if they could ever be like Joffrey. Kid left big shoes to fill in the hating department. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerolunar Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 That would be awesome... But deep inside, I dont think the Starks would take on such cloak... Sansa would´nt just take over Littlefingers work if he dies, without some secret plan or something..Im still rooting for the Starks, AND Brienne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hodor Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 What other ways could they turn out as villains? the four remaining stark kids and Jon are telepathically connected through the Weir-net and establish their evil realms...Bran the commander in chief and responsible for communicationRickon the savage with a huge army controlling southern westrosJon the unholy controlling north with help of giants mammoths and darker thingsSansa the great deceiver, killing with plots and smilesArya the faceless assasin, silencing the opposition lords with the kiss of death, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickStormborn Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 I doubt the Starks will ever become the villains of the story, but I think it's quite clear that they're all heading down very dark paths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Buck Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 I think it's inevitable, although I don't think it will be as cut-and-dry as "the Starks are now the villains". In the same sense, I also think Dany is on the path to becoming a "villain" as well, but again it's a matter of perspective. The Starks will think that Dany and her army of Ironborn, Eunuchs, Dothraki, Red Priests, and dragons are the "bad guys", while Dany and her followers will think of the Starks and other Northmen as the "bad guys". It will be up to the audience to decide which is which. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where Boars Glow Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 I haven't encountered this kind of threat yet, and I thought it would be interesting. I don't think or hope this will happen, but it is, of course, a possibility...Martin's characters are gray. Some bad guys turn out to be okay, and the other way. If we had to chose heroes, it would be the Stark family... but what if Martin pulls a Martin and they turn out to be the ANTAGONISTS?Imagine:Bran, a servant of the great other beyond the wall, spending the rest of hi life in the shadows, Bloodraven is Mel's opposite concerning views so this is actually not that unlikely...Jon, serving as AAR and PTWP for R'hllor (the god of the enemy?) He fights for his faith, which turns out not be so light after all...Sansa, who's been predicted to off Littlefinger, actually becomes his successor...Arya, an assassin without a heart, killing and killing and killing...Rickon, a mindless savage and a beast, living with cannibals, that won't turn out pretty...What other ways could they turn out as villains? How would it affect the story and your view of the story? What would you think if you end up hating them as much as Joffrey (so to speak), and you're left rooting for someone like Cersei to win?Improbable and unlikely... but not impossible.Rob a wolfheaded WrightCat......unCatEddard the warged evil tomcat of Kings landingThe list of their villany is endless :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponys123 Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 I'd be fine with it so long as Stannis brings justice on their necks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damar Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 I always thought how easy it would be to turn the Starks into dark grim villains and the Lannisters into blonde pretty heroes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Moon Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 After all that the Starks have suffered, I think that they would be justified in meting out some hard Stark justice to the families and peoplewho tried to exterminate them. They would have to go extremely dark before I could view them as villains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Ennepe Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 I haven't encountered this kind of threat yet, and I thought it would be interesting. I don't think or hope this will happen, but it is, of course, a possibility...Martin's characters are gray. Some bad guys turn out to be okay, and the other way. If we had to chose heroes, it would be the Stark family... but what if Martin pulls a Martin and they turn out to be the ANTAGONISTS?Imagine:Bran, a servant of the great other beyond the wall, spending the rest of hi life in the shadows, Bloodraven is Mel's opposite concerning views so this is actually not that unlikely...Jon, serving as AAR and PTWP for R'hllor (the god of the enemy?) He fights for his faith, which turns out not be so light after all...Sansa, who's been predicted to off Littlefinger, actually becomes his successor...Arya, an assassin without a heart, killing and killing and killing...Rickon, a mindless savage and a beast, living with cannibals, that won't turn out pretty...What other ways could they turn out as villains? How would it affect the story and your view of the story? What would you think if you end up hating them as much as Joffrey (so to speak), and you're left rooting for someone like Cersei to win?Improbable and unlikely... but not impossible.The only one who sees Bloodraven as a servant of the great Other is Melisandre…we all know how good she is at looking into the fires ;) We also don´t know if the Skagosi are really cannibals till Davos will get Rickon. It could all be made up by the Skagosi themselve to keep away intruders.But yeah, as everything in the books, the Starks will not be the shiny heroes. But no matter how dark grey they might turn out to be at the end, I will always like them more than Joffrey or Cersei!Oh and never forget: Even if the Night´s King was a Stark, he was also defeated by a Stark :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alienarea Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 My favorite soccer team got cheated big time by a referee named Stark end of last year. Yes, they are evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where Boars Glow Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 My favorite soccer team got cheated big time by a referee named Stark end of last year. Yes, they are evil.Does that make you a Chelsea fan? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Long post sort: They are the protagonists so no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisdaw Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Bran won't be, Jon could possibly be down a more evil path than good. The others will just be grey.If I were to guess by the end I'd say Tyrion is likely to be the great antagonist and Jon a necessary evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maegi Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 the four remaining stark kids and Jon are telepathically connected through the Weir-net and establish their evil realms...Bran the commander in chief and responsible for communicationRickon the savage with a huge army controlling southern westrosJon the unholy controlling north with help of giants mammoths and darker thingsSansa the great deceiver, killing with plots and smilesArya the faceless assasin, silencing the opposition lords with the kiss of death,When you put it that way....If that occurs I would have to be a Stark an , for the first time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alienarea Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Does that make you a Chelsea fan? :)Borussia Dortmund :)Did that evil referee cross the channel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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