WardenOfTheNorth Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 I agree wholeheartedly with you. Cersei is far and away the biggest hypocrite. She ignores Ned's pleas for her to run and save herself and her children. Instead she starts a war, inadvertantly true but she's still guilty, which costs the lives of thousands. All of these men and women die so she can protect HER own kids from a death she all but insured by not running. And in the end her children will probably die anyway and it will all have been for nothing.And Littlefinger is by far the biggest piece of garbage in the whole story. Some characters are bad and do bad things, we find out why and although that doesn't justify it we understand their twisted motives. Littlefinger is just causing trouble and trying to gain status. He helped orchestrate a civil war just to move onto the society pages. Really Littlefinger, all this to impress a woman who clearly doesn't want you? What a loser.LOL. Cat has nothing to do with him wanting to rise in status. Hes clearly over her, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Selig Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Hmmm. Do we have any proof of that? Considering the debt the crown has I'm skeptical. 10 times increase in the crown revenues in just several years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sansa_Stark Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Hmmm. Do we have any proof of that? Considering the debt the crown has I'm skeptical.That was more because of Robert though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkantos Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Hmmm. Do we have any proof of that? Considering the debt the crown has I'm skeptical.What type of debt was it though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brAnthelAstgreenseer Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Biggest hypocrite - TywinBiggest parasite - LittleFinger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern light Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 10 times increase in the crown revenues in just several years.Yes, but without any figures about the revenue in stags it's not possible to draw any conclusions how effective LF:s spending spree was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern light Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 What type of debt was it though?I was referring to the amount of money the crown owe Lannister, Tyrells and the Iron Bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkantos Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 I was referring to the amount of money the crown owe Lannister, Tyrells and the Iron Bank.But debt isn't necessarily bad, that's how countries are run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Scorpion Knight Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Most nobles have done far less work to deserve the money they get than LF. He may be a douchebag, but he's no parasite. He did his job as a finance minister well.tell that to the increased corruption and missing moneydoesn't jon give littlefinger the job at the behest of lysa? did lysa get anything in return for her help?yeah , the moon door (he even intended to jkill her rather later than soonerHypocrire:Let me add Tyrion there as well.1. Tyrion loves mocking people, and saying funny rude comment about people. When others mock him? Well he hates it.2. He is enraged that tywin doesn't want to give him his rightful inheritence, CR. But tyrion for two whole book did everything for helping his family taking away others rightful inheritence, KL and the Throne from Stannis, Riverrun from the Tully's and by marrying Sansa he tried to take WF from the Starks.3. Complaining that people believe he killed Joffrey, despie that when he was the Hand of the King he ordered the execution of the Antler Men based on one single persons word, namely Varys, who gave information at his trial as well, that were very damaging towards his case. tyrion actually had multiple witnesses, he had a chance to call for a trial by combat, and he had a chance of taking the black. And even if he would have been executed he would have a clean beheading. He on the other hand didn't gave any of that chance to the Antler Men, not to mention he gave them to Joffrey, knowing they will be gruesomly killed. Oh, and the Antler Men were actually innocents, they weren't Stannis spies. They had large debts toward the Throne which after their death cannot be collected. They were set up by Varys, to further bankrupt the Throne. Comparaed to them there were way more and convincing evidence (even if it was fake) that tyrion indeed killed Joffrey.I feel sorry for tyrion that he was wrongly accused, but on the other hand he really should have reflected about his past actions, that the justice he gave to people was actually even more unfair that he recieved there.4. Another one is he asking Sansa that she should look past his appearance and see what is inside (though I donT' think his inside is attractive either), yet he mocks women who are not hot (see his remarks about Lollys), and he cannot love a women who is ugly. So he wants women to love him for the inside, yet he is soo shallow he is unable to love an ugly woman.(And just saying that Sansa on the other hand has a crushlike feeling towards Sandor and she was willing to marry Willas even if he would have looked like his fat and ugly father. So not even Sansa is as shallow as tyrion.)agreeHmmm. Do we have any proof of that? Considering the debt the crown has I'm skeptical.thanks ]But debt isn't necessarily bad, that's how countries are run.not in the middle ages dept mmeant no money period Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkantos Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 not in the middle ages dept mmeant no money periodWesteros isn't the same, the Iron Throne's debt doesn't mean no money, they pay it off with the increased revenue the loan gave them, it's a bit modern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Meera Reed Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 Biggest hypocrites - Tywin, Dany, Tyrion, Pycelle, Barristan.Biggest parasites - Janos Slynt, the Freys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djinn Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 While i don't think it makes her a candidate for the biggest, i like to mention Brienne. She clearly tries to be honorable but she crossed the entire south to pledge her personal service to Renly, knowing that he was rebelling against his nephew and his older brother purely out of greed, while her infatuation conveniently made her ignore it. So far, she hasn't admitted this while judging others for dishonorable behaviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Selig Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 While i don't think it makes her a candidate for the biggest, i like to mention Brienne. She clearly tries to be honorable but she crossed the entire south to pledge her personal service to Renly, knowing that he was rebelling against his nephew and his older brother purely out of greed, while her infatuation conveniently made her ignore it. So far, she hasn't admitted this while judging others for dishonorable behaviour. Renly is her liege lord, her first loyalty is supposed to be to him. Nothing hypocritical about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Broke Howard Hughes Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 LOL. Cat has nothing to do with him wanting to rise in status. Hes clearly over her, IMO.True this isn't based on any textual fact, I just know the lengths us guys will go to so we can impress women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sullen Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 Biggest parasites - the Freys.The main Freys are definitively assholes, but I don't see how they would fit the definition of parasite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Selig Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 The main Freys are definitively assholes, but I don't see how they would fit the definition of parasite. They are rich because their ancestors build a bridge, they do nothing all day but breed like rabbits and exploiting the travellers. Seem parasitic to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djinn Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 Renly is her liege lord, her first loyalty is supposed to be to him. Nothing hypocritical about it.Nope. Her father has to support Renly, not her. She a Lady of House Tarth, nobody expects her to personally fight for Renly, she chooses to do so against her father's wishes and most other people actually. Notice that she isn't ever linked toanu sort of Tarh troops, she went all by herself into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sullen Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 They are rich because their ancestors build a bridge, they do nothing all day but breed like rabbits and exploiting the travellers. Seem parasitic to me.They offer a service in exchange for gold. (Crossing the bridge their ancestors built)That seems rather fair, despite being especially greedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Selig Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 Nope. Her father has to support Renly, not her. She a Lady of House Tarth, nobody expects her to personally fight for Renly, she chooses to do so against her father's wishes and most other people actually. Notice that she isn't ever linked toanu sort of Tarh troops, she went all by herself into it. She doesn't have to fight, but as a noble from the Stormlands and a heir of her father she's supposed to support Renly, the Lord of the Stormlands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beets Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 They are rich because their ancestors build a bridge, they do nothing all day but breed like rabbits and exploiting the travellers. Seem parasitic to me.The 'breed like rabbits' thing means that they've got a fair amount of swords - Robb wasn't set up to marry Random Stoatish Female just for the sake of a bridge. The Freys are a pretty powerful family, and while they got there by being parasitic, I don't think they qualify as BIGGEST parasites because 1) the Great Houses seem to find them vaguely useful sometimes and 2) look at the competition. It's pretty hard to beat some of these people.Also, their ancestors building the bridge means that the bridge was built by Freys, meaning that somewhere, far back, in an age lost to the sands of time, some of the Freys weren't total idiots (even if they were still probably assholes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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