total1402 Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 I can't remember Dany ever saying this line in the books during the Yunkish scene. For one because the Yunkish are never described as a "proud people" by anybody; ever. But obviously the wording is strikingly similar to what the blacksmith on the wall says about Stannis. That he is iron and will break before he bends. Dany uses essentially the same metaphor, implying that if the Yunkish won't bend she will break them. Do you think this is just coincidence or D&D deliberately doing this? From the amount of comments on the board its quite a well known metaphor about Stannis and I think one that crops up more than once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King Of Limbs Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 I did immediately think of Stannis when she said that. Possible foreshadowing to a confrontation between them, perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanml82 Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 I can't remember Dany ever saying this line in the books during the Yunkish scene. For one because the Yunkish are never described as a "proud people" by anybody; ever. But obviously the wording is strikingly similar to what the blacksmith on the wall says about Stannis. That he is iron and will break before he bends. Dany uses essentially the same metaphor, implying that if the Yunkish won't bend she will break them.Do you think this is just coincidence or D&D deliberately doing this? From the amount of comments on the board its quite a well known metaphor about Stannis and I think one that crops up more than once.I think it's deliberate and aims at Stannis :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Envie Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 I really didn't put a lot of significance on that particular metaphor she used, though they did seem to emphasize it in that dramatic scene so it's entirely possible it's a foreshadowing or hint. Most viewers probably just think it means Dany's ready to do whatever it takes to get what she wants including using her dragons and her unsullied army to break whatever she wants to display her power - coming fully into her "Queen" rights and attitude.Your theory and comparison to the same metaphor used about Stannis is definitely interesting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaircat Meow Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Yes, I have to say I thought the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Cookie Monster Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 I thought of Stannis.ETA: but not of any kind of theory or foreshadowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faceless Sam Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 really? i think this is a way to common metaphor to absolutely make that connection, but then, grrm DID write the episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveSnow House Stark Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 I didn't hink of Stannis, just the rest of the phrase, they break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franko99 Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Yes, I think of Stannis too, considering how D+D deslike Stannis I'm sure it is about him, but I'm not sure if it's a foreshadowing a confrontation betwenn those 2, jut that Stannis will eventually break :( (but that's nothing new to book readers, Stannis as badass as he is, is kinda doomed since ACOK he will break before he bends) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragon Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 I thought of it but I don't believe that Stannis is unbending. The Stannis Donal Noye had known might have been but he changed a lot since aCoK, in aSoS he changed his strategy completely and in aDwD he even accepted the idea that every lord didn't had to show him their loyalty without him doing anything and seeked out the Mountain Clans. He bends, slightly, on some aspects.. And he shall never let dragonspawn take westeros whislt he lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Set_Gecko Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Stannis had one of the biggest character developments to me, in the books. He does bend. I think he was very stubborn and demandng of others mostly because of how rigid he was, he was expecting other people to do the same (maybe not really expecting, but stubbornly wanting, cause otherwise his whole lifestyle would seem to be for nothing, if he is the only one following the codex). He slowly crept out of that mind-state and now is more accepting, although grudgingly (would that all lords of westeros had but a single neck). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybuilderton Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 I thought of Daenerys herself later on. Stopping slavery is noble and everything but she went about it in a childish, impulsive, stubborn, arrogant way and it ended with an attempt on her life and her being captive by a rival khalasar.Things that don't bend, indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tone Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Depending on what Drogon does, I'd say she's far from Jhaqo's captive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentwanderer Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 I didn't hink of Stannis, just the rest of the phrase, they break.Me too, I think Daenerys sounds ready to break those people if they don't bend to her will, much like she seems ready to break anyone in Westeros that doesn't bend to her birth right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBean Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 I also thought of Stannis when she said that. But I don't think GRRM meant to say that Dany will break Stannis. It could just be a shout-out to the book readers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Cookie Monster Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 "We all know what happens to things that don't bend?"They become Kings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draco_Dracul Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 They become Kings?A man that seeks to become king must bend everything but his knee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiola Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 They liked the line (because it's an awesome line) so they gave it to Dany, not making it about Stannis. Many viewers love Dany, and many do not care about Stannis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 Stannis learned to bend when he followed Davos' advice to go North: that's a good thing. Dany bent too much during book 5: is not a good thing.I also thought about Stannis, but the context of the phrase was very different: they use the word to speak of Stannis's stubbornness, his inability to look beyond the box, which we know he has changed as he's now looking beyond the Wall. For Dany "bend" still means to obey her and do her will because she's the Queen or they will be destroyed. Stannis lost too much by thinking like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 I thought of Daenerys herself later on. Stopping slavery is noble and everything but she went about it in a childish, impulsive, stubborn, arrogant way and it ended with an attempt on her life and her being captive by a rival khalasar.Things that don't bend, indeed.She has a dragon. Granted, a tempermental dragon. But he's still sharing food with her.They have horses, swords and arrows.I'd be mighty surprised if the ending to that scene isn't:"And then the stench of urine became very strong and the Khalasar ran screaming like little girls." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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