Seneti Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 The show isn't even finished with ASoS, and yet many readers like to use their knowledge of the five released books to make a final judgement on how his character has been adapted and portrayed. I still remember a number of posters saying that they were going to bungle Jaime's redemption after he killed Alton Lannister in season two, and look at how that turned out... Give it time. We all know that this fourth season will be the biggest yet for Stannis, so it would make sense for the writers to hold back on clearly defining which part of Stannis' nature will win the day in the end (at least for a little while). This. So much of this. Personally, I considered Stannis about as interesting as a door mat until he arrived at the Wall. If they screw up his awesomeness at the Wall, THEN we can talk about how they butchered Stannis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan the Man Baratheon Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Neither Stannis, nor Petyr, nor Doran, nor Joffrey nor Ramsey nor Hizdahr are among the series' 10 main characters (let's pick that number), nor are they among the 3 main characters in any of the books. I never said that every POV character is a main character, but those with 15+ POV chapters happen to be; and when the POV chapters are telling someone's story, they are the main character. Areo Hoteh's chapters are telling the story of other Dornish characters (but it's still not big enough for Doran or Arianne to be among the top 3 main characters in AFFC or ADWD). But Ned's chapters in AGOT do not tell Robert's story, but Ned's. Sansa's chapters do not tell Joffrey''s story or LF's story, they tell Sansa's story. Theon's chapters do not tell Ramsey's story, but Theon's story.Stannis is the 13th most mentioned character in the series. Joffrey is 14th most mentioned character in the series.Brienne who is a PoV is 17th most mentioned character in the series. So are you going to have her in top 10?So lets see why you think Stannis is not among the series top 10 characters?Stannis is as of the end the ADwD is in the top 10 characters of the series, since Ned, Catelyn and Robb Stark who have more mentions to him are dead/undead. Heck Davos who is also a PoV is 19th most mentioned character. Stannis is easily in the top ten character's of the series, whether you like him or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annara Snow Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Stannis is the 13th most mentioned character in the series. Joffrey is 14th most mentioned character in the series.Brienne who is a PoV is 17th most mentioned character in the series. So are you going to have her in top 10?So lets see why you think Stannis is not among the series top 10 characters?Stannis is as of the end the ADwD is in the top 10 characters of the series, since Ned, Catelyn and Robb Stark who have more mentions to him are dead/undead. Heck Davos who is also a PoV is 19th most mentioned character. Stannis is easily in the top ten character's of the series, whether you like him or not. No, I don't think Stannis is one of the series' 10 main characters. Who's dead and who isn't dead makes no difference. Ned has been dead since book 1, but he was the #1 main character of that book, without a doubt. (If I were to pick just10 main characters, I would go with Jon, Dany, Tyrion, Arya, Sansa, Bran, Catelyn, Ned, Jaime and Cersei.) But, if that makes you feel better, I do think he's in top 15 (and probably top 13) main characters. Anyway, Stannis is definitely not one of the three main characters of A Dance with Dragons, which is what it was originally about. If you said "five main characters", then OK, yes, but three, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aFeastForDragons Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Neither Stannis, nor Petyr, nor Doran, nor Joffrey nor Ramsey nor Hizdahr are among the series' 10 main characters (let's pick that number), nor are they among the 3 main characters in any of the books. ADWD is mostly about Dany, Tyrion, Jon and Stannis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan the Man Baratheon Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 No, I don't think Stannis is one of the series' 10 main characters. Who's dead and who isn't dead makes no difference. Ned has been dead since book 1, but he was the #1 main character of that book, without a doubt. (If I were to pick just10 main characters, I would go with Jon, Dany, Tyrion, Arya, Sansa, Bran, Catelyn, Ned, Jaime and Cersei.) But, if that makes you feel better, I do think he's in top 15 (and probably top 13) main characters. Anyway, Stannis is definitely not one of the three main characters of A Dance with Dragons, which is what it was originally about. If you said "five main characters", then OK, yes, but three, no.Stannis has featured only in three books. He has done a pretty good job of making the 13th most mentioned character and he is not even a PoV. Stannis was on the cover of the second book. He was easily in the top three in ACoK. He is arguably in the top 10 main character, but if you think he is not then i can't change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Fixit Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Stannis has featured only in three books. He has done a pretty good job of making the 13th most mentioned character and he is not even a PoV. Stannis was on the cover of the second book. He was easily in the top three in ACoK. He is arguably in the top 10 main character, but if you think he is not then i can't change that. Stannis is in the top three in ACoK? And who is TOP2, I'd like to hear, among Tyrion, Catelyn, Arya, Sansa, Theon, Dany, Jon, Bran, and Davos? Next I'll hear Sauron is one of the main characters of LoTR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan the Man Baratheon Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Stannis is in the top three in ACoK? And who is TOP2, I'd like to hear, among Tyrion, Catelyn, Arya, Sansa, Theon, Dany, Jon, Bran, and Davos? Next I'll hear Sauron is one of the main characters of LoTR.Then why is he on the cover? If George didn't deem him important enough then he shouldn't be on the cover.You think you are being smart but you are only coming of as a condescending and arrogant person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Fixit Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Then why is he on the cover? If George didn't deem him important enough then he shouldn't be on the cover. Melisandre is on the cover as well. In fact, she's even more prominent than Stannis. Is she a main character too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konradsmith Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 At the risk of earning the ire of the foaming at the mouth Stannisers, I'd say the most important character in the Stannis arc who will effect the future of the books most is Melisandre. Stannis and Davos are lovely complex characters but Melisandre's going to get up to some more-important shit. I'd bet on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan the Man Baratheon Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Melisandre is on the cover as well. In fact, she's even more prominent than Stannis. Is she a main character too? Is she? Stannis is more mentioned than Melisandre in the second book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan the Man Baratheon Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 At the risk of earning the ire of the foaming at the mouth Stannisers, I'd say the most important character in the Stannis arc who will effect the future of the books most is Melisandre. Stannis and Davos are lovely complex characters but Melisandre's going to get up to some more-important shit. I'd bet on that. Oh come on man Davos from Skagos is Stannis's main man, Mel would be more important for Jon i think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Fixit Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Is she? Stannis is more mentioned than Melisandre in the second book. I mean on the cover. My copy of the book depicts Melisandre standing all regal and important and full of herself while poor Stannis sits and broods behind her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan the Man Baratheon Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 I mean on the cover. My copy of the book depicts Melisandre standing all regal and important and full of herself while poor Stannis sits and broods behind her. I guess it must be a special edition for anti-stans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annara Snow Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 I guess it must be a special edition for anti-stans. And I thought it was the same picture in the same article you linked to... It's not really such a strong argument as you believe. After all, Edmure Tully and Blackfish are on the cover of ASOS, which depicts the funeral of Hoster Tully. BTW I hate these covers with people on them (the Serbian editions use these covers this), I'm glad I own those editions with objects like a sword, a crown, a chalice etc. on the cover, they are much more beautiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Fixit Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 BTW I hate these covers with people on them (the Serbian editions use these covers this), I'm glad I own those editions with objects like a sword, a crown, a chalice etc. on the cover, they are much more beautiful. I'm also not a fan of ASoIaF cover art with people, but the other covers are too abstract for my taste; they remind me of those bland and inoffensive Euro banknotes. Brazilian edition of AGoT is pretty nice - http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/grrm/7059164/88170/88170_640.jpg It has an old school vibe that favours atmosphere, mood, and sense of place over action or depicting specific scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan the Man Baratheon Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 And I thought it was the same picture in the same article you linked to... It's not really such a strong argument as you believe. After all, Edmure Tully and Blackfish are on the cover of ASOS, which depicts the funeral of Hoster Tully.Well if you don't believe it's a strong argument then i can't change that. It is your opinion afterall. ASoS had Robb and Catelyn on cover, you can also look at it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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