Ramsay B. Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Deric- That's what I believe. It's a good theory but Tywin is dead either way so it really doesn't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Because he's rotten to the core..Exactly!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Alysanne™ Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Because he's rotten to the core..Yep you got it!!! Hit the nail right on the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Alysanne™ Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Tywin's corpse also "smiles" more and more the longer it lays there. I assume this is an effect of some poison. Is this hinted at elsewhere in the text?Its funny he never smiled when he was alive, but when he died he smiled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanTheBold Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 I'm pretty sure that in the text they make a point of it not being the average cadaver smell, gut wound aside...plus I assume death from a gut wound is pretty common seeing as there is almost constant battle in westeros. so why was everyone freakin out about it if it was just dead stink, I'm pretty sure the folks at kings landing are quite used to that smell by now. Had to be something elseBecause not everyone who gets stabbed in the guts spent the past few days constipated and hot said stab wound takeing a shit. Also not just anyone is displayed for as long as he was. I'm all for trying to figure mysteries out in the text but you and people who believe Tywin was poisoned are trying to solve a mystery were already given the answer to and I honestly think your reading to deeply and seeing things that aren't there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bippy Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Because not everyone who gets stabbed in the guts spent the past few days constipated and hot said stab wound takeing a shit. Also not just anyone is displayed for as long as he was. I'm all for trying to figure mysteries out in the text but you and people who believe Tywin was poisoned are trying to solve a mystery were already given the answer to and I honestly think your reading to deeply and seeing things that aren't thereMaybe, but the text goes on and on and on and on about how very very bad he smelled, and how the sisters did everything they could and Pycelle did everything he could... I think we're meant to notice. Also, ok, not everyone gets stabbed while on the can, but I don't know if that makes a difference. We're all carrying around tomorrow's poop anyway, regardless of how long it's been since we last went. And this is Westeros. People there get stabbed in their $hit-filled guts all the time, and apparently Tywin's smell STILL makes the Westerosi blench. So it's something a bit out of the ordinary. It could of course still be a coincidence, but it seems a bit unlikely, given how very much the smelliness is emphasized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bippy Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 I suppose you could cast it as some kind of metaphor. All the Lannister rottenness becoming evident to Jaime in one undeniable visceral punch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gar Weg Wun Sygerrik Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 I also believe Varys killed him. It makes sense, because Varys definetely needed Tywin dead eventually, and Tyrion killing him seemed to be unexpected for everyone involvedVarys did need Tywin dead. I think it's quite convenient that he and Tyrion passed directly by the passage to the Hand of the Kings quarters, and you know, theres a crossbow in that same passage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Silver Otter Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 I'm wondering now if he was influenced by the weird thing with poor Gloria Ramirez. Not that Tywin was necessarily taking DMSO or its magical equivalent, but it has a similar gestalt.http://en.wikipedia..../Gloria_RamirezThat's really cool, I'd never heard of it before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Tam Stark Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 the fact he was on the privy is a clue he was poisoned imo when we are ill and have a foreign body inside we either shit it out or be sick and tywin was feeling the effects and his body was in the process of trying to rid itself of itgrrm goes on about it so much to point out its not normalthe obvious suspect is oberyn but poison is a womans weapon so maybe it was a woman? qot, cersei even shae she was at the scene of the crime after all but having said that I think it was oberyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lady Lannister Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 I think GRRM is paying homage to the Brothers Karamazov. A saint-like elder dies in the book and everyone expects a miracle on his deathbed, but instead the stench is unbearable which leads people (who up until then nigh on worshipped him) to believe he was no saint after all. It also causes a major crisis of faith for one of the brothers (in this case probably Jaime), who leaves the monastery and his life takes a very different route from being a sworn brother. On reflection, later on, the more practical people think that here is no deeper significance to it other then that corpses stink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facebookless Man Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Because he was full of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRHD Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 lol!Seriously, guys, do you know what happens to corpses? Westeros does not have embalming fluid, so the corpse begins decomposing right away. Theres nothing to stop that from happening. All they can really do is try to shove some perfumed stuff around the corpse and its made clear, this made the smell worse. Tywin was displayed in the sept. Just chillin' there on a table. When a corpse begins to rot, it smells like unholy hell. Why do people assume poison? Poison doesnt automatically make a corpse stink worse. Tywin also died of a shot to the bowels. Im guessing a maester or Silent Sister sewed up the wound, but its only the flesh that got patched up. So add that to already nasty stinkfest going on. Joff's corpse wasnt on display for as long if i recall correctly. Plus he actually did die of poison. Instead of a gaping wound that needed to be fixed up before display, Joff was more or less just placed there. If poison makes the corpse smell worse, dont you think Joff would have been just as smelly?Yeesh guys, do you even funeral? :P Exactly. A corpse smelling isn't a sign of poison. Neither is a guy having his **** stink when his bowels loosen when he's killed. The poison theory just has to be one of the worst because a.)there's no evidence for it besides some vague threat from Oberyn that Tywin might not live forever, and b.)it would be pointless, because the alleged poisoner is dead and the alleged victim was killed by other means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRHD Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 the fact he was on the privy is a clue he was poisoned imo when we are ill and have a foreign body inside we either shit it out or be sick and tywin was feeling the effects and his body was in the process of trying to rid itself of itgrrm goes on about it so much to point out its not normalthe obvious suspect is oberyn but poison is a womans weapon so maybe it was a woman? qot, cersei even shae she was at the scene of the crime after all but having said that I think it was oberyn No, he really doesn't go on about it. He only describes it so much as is necessary to convey that the guy is on the pot. Taking a dump is not a clue to being poisoned, else I've been poisoned my entire life. Tywin shows no pain, no signs of stress, nothing out of the ordinary for someone doing their business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Luke. Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Different poisons with different effects, if it's true that Oberyn (or Varys) poisoned Tywin.This, or just unnatural constipation problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRHD Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Whoops, meant to edit my previous post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthxaos Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Cause he was taking a shit while he died Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grip Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 While I am a fan of the "Oberyn poisoned Tywin theory" it might just as well be a "joke" by Martin, you know the high and mighty Lord of Lannister ending in such a way. I mean that is what many will remember him by, the way he died and they way he stank in the sept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalalOfDorne Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Cause hes a baaaad man! A really bad man!In all seriousness though, it could be Oberyns poison (If the theory is true), or something else we dont know about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippykeno Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 He stinks because he has been laying there longer then normal corpses, I beleive this comes up in a conversation between Jaime and Cersei.That also explains his huge smile, there is some scientific explanation for this, dont know and dont feel like looking it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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