Stormland's Fury Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Only the Andals ENFORCED their religion on the native population with fire and sword, the Targs ADOPTED it. I still don't see what makes them so damn evil. I didn't say they were evil only that those times had different values. But they used dragons to enforce their political status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormland's Fury Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Guys be nice to each other I didn't intend to have a Stannis vs Dany War this forums seen enough of those. That's bound to happen though ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferocious Veldt Roarer Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Yay, another Targ hate thread, how novel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Mac Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Guys be nice to each other I didn't intend to have a Stannis vs Dany War this forums seen enough of those. You could make a thread about Hodor and it would turn into Stannis vs. Dany :P I don't know if I'd say they don't "belong" in Westeros, but they certainly still seem foreign to most of the people what with their platinum hair and purple eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeRhaegar Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Nope not at all especially since they made the biggest impact in Westeros history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 But this is beside the point I guess what i want to find out is whether Denarys and Viserys' 'house' was lost when they 'abandoned' it?Nope their house is not lost. And Dany and Viserys never "abandoned" their home they were forced from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chatty Duelist Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Well, like Panos said, it's not really comparable, and the Brits actually improved the standards of living in African colonies. But the Targs very rarely married with local Houses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnief Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 But the Targs very rarely married with local Houses. Which added to the incest thing might be why they feel so 'foreign' in Westeros...while Jon actually does belong, because he's part Stark-and the Starks are arguably the oldest House in all Seven Kingdoms. I think the Targaryens would 'fit' better into Westeros if in the future, they actually married more of their neighbors/subjects instead of being so insistent on Valryian blood... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferocious Veldt Roarer Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Which added to the incest thing might be why they feel so 'foreign' in Westeros...while Jon actually does belong, because he's part Stark-and the Starks are arguably the oldest House in all Seven Kingdoms. I think the Targaryens would 'fit' better into Westeros if in the future, they actually married more of their neighbors/subjects instead of being so insistent on Valryian blood... The thing is, I don't remember them feeling foreign at all. Not in the D&E novellas, not in TPATQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Woodland Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I get the heat, conquering nations is a very touchy subject thoughout human history. Given what is happening in the real world atm can l urge you all to take a deep breath & be grateful for who & where you all are right now.I can see whete the OP is coming from with this, l tend to look on the Targaryans as our equivalent of maybe legendary Atlantis. Superior civilization trying to survive a cataclysmic end to their world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaosImprisonateMe Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I think they did a good job integrating into Westeros, and actually made it possible to become part of Westeros. However, ever since the basic extermination of the family I feel Dany is the opposite in terms of forcing her will and her naive sense of justice. As such, I don't believe that the Targaryen's belong to Westeros anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormland's Fury Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I feel Dany is the opposite in terms of forcing her will and her naive sense of justice. As such, I don't believe that the Targaryen's belong to Westeros anymore. Yeah, I have more problems with the recent Targs then with the whole family in general. Dany doesn't real belong in Westeros and it just happens that she's a Targaryen, so that's a reason not the cause. Vyserys was more understandable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Señor de la Tormenta Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 The Targs were the worst thing that happened to Westeros after the LN1.0 and they should be exiled for good.amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panos Targaryen Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Which added to the incest thing might be why they feel so 'foreign' in Westeros...while Jon actually does belong, because he's part Stark-and the Starks are arguably the oldest House in all Seven Kingdoms. I think the Targaryens would 'fit' better into Westeros if in the future, they actually married more of their neighbors/subjects instead of being so insistent on Valryian blood... ...but they did. Out of the 17 kings, 4 married outside the family, 6 their siblings, and the other seven we don't know. Plus, virtually all Targ princes and princesses married outside the family. Where does this belief come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 ...but they did. Out of the 17 kings, 4 married outside the family, 6 their siblings, and the other seven we don't know. Plus, virtually all Targ princes and princesses married outside the family. Where does this belief come from? From all we know those 7 we don't know could have married a Targ/or a dragonseed aka Velaryon cousin. It may not be incest for many people but is still "keep it into the family". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Selig Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 They aren't any worse than any other powerful House. How do you think the Starks, the Arryns and the rest stayed in power and expanded their territories? By conquests, exploitation and subjugation, there is no other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Eric Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Some real Targ hating going on here. So what if they married if they married their siblings? big fucking deal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panos Targaryen Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 The thing is, I don't remember them feeling foreign at all. Not in the D&E novellas, not in TPATQ. This. They felt like any other Westerosi House. They spoke the Common Tongue and practiced the Faith of the Seven. Their sons even squired for other lords and jousted against others along with everybody else. Prince Maekar and Prince Baelor judged Duncan and Aerion TOGETHER with Lord Ashford, as they were in his castle. What do people find so exotic and threatening about them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 So what if they married if they married their siblings? big fucking deal! When they claimed that they adopted the Seven and they committed a monstrous sin (by the old gods and the new) when they didn't make any attempt to be a part of a land claim as theirs, when their incest prodused kings that were mad and caused thousands of people to die when they believed thet they were better than everyone else and acted like Gods its a big effing deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaosImprisonateMe Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 If they ever make a prequel to the series I would not be surprised by a different mood. The Targaryens at large seemed to have contributed quite a bit to Westeros. Of course, as I have said previously, what remains of them really lack those elements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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