roxWolfox Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Difficult question. Being native (Arctic) with ancestral roots spanning 8000 years on this continent ... I'd have to say I have no problem with dying to protect the land those I love I stand upon. For the country? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tears of Lys Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Difficult question. Being native (Arctic) with ancestral roots spanning 8000 years on this continent ... I'd have to say I have no problem with dying to protect the land those I love I stand upon. For the country? No. Hmmm.... that's an interesting topic. Does the land you're living on = your country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade1865 Posted September 27, 2014 Author Share Posted September 27, 2014 Difficult question. Being native (Arctic) with ancestral roots spanning 8000 years on this continent ... I'd have to say I have no problem with dying to protect the land those I love I stand upon. For the country? No. Second unexpected response -- besides the black man's. This is why I love the people on this board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade1865 Posted September 27, 2014 Author Share Posted September 27, 2014 Hmmm.... that's an interesting topic. Does the land you're living on = your country? Country is synonymous with land -- I think he meant the "state". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lawn Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Hmmm.... that's an interesting topic. Does the land you're living on = your country?I believe this was.explored nicely in Kingsolver's Animal Dreams through the character Lloyd, who says he'd die for land, while the narrator initially mistakes this for somehting like defending property or nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tears of Lys Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 I believe this was.explored nicely in Kingsolver's Animal Dreams through the character Lloyd, who says he'd die for land, while the narrator initially mistakes this for somehting like defending property or nation. Larry, I think you're zooming along at an altitude of 35,000 feet, while I'm cruising at around 10K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lawn Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 I'm actually only about 6'1", so your estimate is way off, but my mother told me to always accept compliments, so thankyou! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tears of Lys Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Donmetionit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roxWolfox Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Hmmm.... that's an interesting topic. Does the land you're living on = your country? Land does not equal country (Canada as a whole) in this instance. I speak of the area of land which those whom I would die to protect live on (or near). Country is synonymous with land -- I think he meant the "state". I was raised in the Armed Forces, and harbour no ill will to all those who fight/fought in the great wars. I just can't see myself fighting/dying for a country that tried to eliminate my ancestral history/heritage/language. So, yes, I do mean country = state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tears of Lys Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Well, spit it out, Wolf! Where the hell in Canada are you from? Don't make this a guessing game this Friday night after a long week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade1865 Posted September 27, 2014 Author Share Posted September 27, 2014 Well, spit it out, Wolf! Where the hell in Canada are you from? Don't make this a guessing game this Friday night after a long week. Where are you from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roxWolfox Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Google 'the only igloo church in the world'. :sniffle: My ancestral stomping grounds.Currently living in Windsor, Ontario. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tears of Lys Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Google 'the only igloo church in the world'. :sniffle: My ancestral stomping grounds. Currently living in Windsor, Ontario. :) Hey! You're right across the bridge from me! We should meet up in one of our casinos and show them how it's done. Burn the house DOWN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterbound Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Ya, I would. I've dedicated my life to service, both in the military, and in my civilian job. I can safely say that everytime I went to Iraq (never made it to AFG) both in the Military, and as a contractor, I felt comfortable doing what I needed to do. Hell, I feel good doing it now as a Fire Fighter. Now, I see you that you're army, probaly regular joe. So I get your hatred of your fellow doughboy (Goddamn the army's gone downhill in the past few decades), but it does hurt my hear a little when you say you wouldn't at least consider the action for those beside you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee baby Shamus Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Ya, I would. I've dedicated my life to service, both in the military, and in my civilian job. I can safely say that everytime I went to Iraq (never made it to AFG) both in the Military, and as a contractor, I felt comfortable doing what I needed to do. Hell, I feel good doing it now as a Fire Fighter. Now, I see you that you're army, probaly regular joe. So I get your hatred of your fellow doughboy (Goddamn the army's gone downhill in the past few decades), but it does hurt my hear a little when you say you wouldn't at least consider the action for those beside you. Just because you are a vet doesn't mean that you are a stand up guy. There are shitbags in the military who don't deserve saving. Now I am not saying that you and Wade are among that group but it seems that Wade as met a few of those said shitbags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade1865 Posted September 27, 2014 Author Share Posted September 27, 2014 Ya, I would. I've dedicated my life to service, both in the military, and in my civilian job. I can safely say that everytime I went to Iraq (never made it to AFG) both in the Military, and as a contractor, I felt comfortable doing what I needed to do. Hell, I feel good doing it now as a Fire Fighter. Now, I see you that you're army, probaly regular joe. So I get your hatred of your fellow doughboy (Goddamn the army's gone downhill in the past few decades), but it does hurt my hear a little when you say you wouldn't at least consider the action for those beside you. Don't mean to hurt your heart (nor do I feel hatred for Soldiers or savages), but I wouldn't die for you or any other Soldier... I wouldn't even consider it. Despite the courage required to willingly die so that another Soldier can survive (as a direct consequence), the actualization of death for this reason is probably one of the *stupidest*, costliest, and most pointless things a man at war could do. Fighting for another Soldier (or the state and its associated privileges as a citizen), on the other hand, is not only just as courageous, it is also one of the wisest and most meaningful things a man at war could do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Oop North Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Fighting for another Soldier (or the state and its associated privileges as a citizen), on the other hand, is not only just as courageous, it is also one of the wisest and most meaningful things a man at war could do. It seems to me that "Fighting for another Soldier (or the state...)" necessitates that the person making that choice, accepts the possibility of death in that cause. Fundamentally, that it isn't really that different than "Dying for another Soldier (or the state..)". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade1865 Posted September 27, 2014 Author Share Posted September 27, 2014 Just because you are a vet doesn't mean that you are a stand up guy. There are shitbags in the military who don't deserve saving. Now I am not saying that you and Wade are among that group but it seems that Wade as met a few of those said shitbags. Right on. Most people -- Soldier or not -- are just not good and are certainly not worth your life in exchange for theirs. Sure, their life will continue and their families will live happily. But you will be dead and in the ground and your family will grieve and live out the rest of their lives in the most painful and heart wrenching way possible until they are in turn dead and in the ground. Fighting for others is enough; dying for another is beyond what is expected and, to be frank, pretty fucking stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade1865 Posted September 27, 2014 Author Share Posted September 27, 2014 It seems to me that "Fighting for another Soldier (or the state...)" necessitates that the person making that choice, accepts the possibility of death in that cause. Fundamentally, that it isn't really that different than "Dying for another Soldier (or the state..)". Driving a car necessitates the possibility of death. But I can say with confidence that I am not willing to die so that another motorist can survive. There's a difference in intent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterbound Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Just because you are a vet doesn't mean that you are a stand up guy. There are shitbags in the military who don't deserve saving. Now I am not saying that you and Wade are among that group but it seems that Wade as met a few of those said shitbags.As stayed above. He appears to be regular army. I don't blame him. Just sad to me, in a way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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