Daemon Blackfyre IV Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Anyone got any idea what land Daemon held ? I always figured his seat was the land where Summerall was but now we know it was somewhere in the Crown Lands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Sword Donor Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 WOIAF says the tract of land was near the Blackwater, so at a minimum that's going to be a week or two away from Summerhall. More likely, it was nowhere near Summerhall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon Blackfyre IV Posted November 8, 2014 Author Share Posted November 8, 2014 Ya i knew that it wasn't Summerhall i was saying that i had originally thought it was Summerhal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon Blackfyre IV Posted November 8, 2014 Author Share Posted November 8, 2014 Maelys Blackfyre killed his cousin Daemon Blackfyre to win control of the Golden Company but who was this Daemon ? I am working on a family tree and while this confirmed that Maelys was a grandson of Daemon I, it stumped me on who's son the Golden Company General was. We can rule out Daemon II because he would me Maelys uncle not his cousinDaemon III son of Haegon Blackfyre was killed by Duncan the tall so it's not him Could it be possible that Bittersteel followed through with his bethrowel to Calla Blackfyre and named his son Daemon Blackfyre ? That would make him first in line for Golden Company ! Daemon I had 3 other sons so it is possible that one of them named their kid Daemon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Eater Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Maelys could have been descended from a younger son of Daemon I, the latter had no shortage of sons. Maelys's cousin Daemon may have actually been the Blackfyre heir until Maelys started an intra-house conflict to make himself the Blackfyre heir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordQorgyle Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 One of them could be a son of Aenys or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon Blackfyre IV Posted November 9, 2014 Author Share Posted November 9, 2014 Could be I think u r correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Maelys Blackfyre killed his cousin Daemon Blackfyre to win control of the Golden Company but who was this Daemon ? I am working on a family tree and while this confirmed that Maelys was a grandson of Daemon I, it stumped me on who's son the Golden Company General was. We can rule out Daemon II because he would me Maelys uncle not his cousin Daemon III son of Haegon Blackfyre was killed by Duncan the tall so it's not him Could it be possible that Bittersteel followed through with his bethrowel to Calla Blackfyre and named his son Daemon Blackfyre ? That would make him first in line for Golden Company ! Daemon I had 3 other sons so it is possible that one of them named their kid Daemon Where is it stated that Maelys was a grandson of Daemon I? It would seem to me that Maelys descends from a younger line than this fourth, uncrowned, Daemon, otherwise, there was little reason to kill him, and little reason for this Daemon to have control over the GC over Maelys. Bittersteel wouldn´t name his child "Blackfyre". A child of Aegor Rivers and Calla Blackfyre would either be called Rivers, or a new name that Aegor gave himself after having been legitimized. As he is mentioned to have died as Aegor Rivers, IIRC, that last option is not the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon Blackfyre IV Posted November 10, 2014 Author Share Posted November 10, 2014 Where is it stated that Maelys was a grandson of Daemon I? It would seem to me that Maelys descends from a younger line than this fourth, uncrowned, Daemon, otherwise, there was little reason to kill him, and little reason for this Daemon to have control over the GC over Maelys. Bittersteel wouldn´t name his child "Blackfyre". A child of Aegor Rivers and Calla Blackfyre would either be called Rivers, or a new name that Aegor gave himself after having been legitimized. As he is mentioned to have died as Aegor Rivers, IIRC, that last option is not the case.I say Maelys is Daemon I grandson because if he killed the said cousin Daemon he has to be otherwise the options are he is Daemon s brother or uncle on even nephew, the only way he is bit Daemon I grandson is if the Daemon he killed was Bittersteels son through a Matrilineal marriage to Calla Blackfyre.As to the Bittersteel giving his kid his wife's last name it could happen to keep the name going lots of family's do it's called a Matrilineal marriage . Also Bittersteel to my knowledge only goes by Bittersteel in the end he could have called himself anything he wanted they can do that across the narrow sea however it is unlikely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon Blackfyre IV Posted November 10, 2014 Author Share Posted November 10, 2014 Princess Calla Blackfyre was George a gummi bear fan ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Eater Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 One of them could be a son of Aenys or not? Daemon could have been Aenys's son while Maelys could have been the son from a younger brother of Aenys. As to whether or not he is Bittersteel's son, when his father consummate his marriage with Calla, and decided to have his children take the Blackfyre name. I think that is up to speculation. Maelys does seem to have Bittersteel's anger and attitude, but then that is just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Aenys was the heir after Daemon III, the son of his older brother Haegon, died, meaning Haegon's line was extinguished. Daemon could have been Aenys's son while Maelys could have been the son from a younger brother of Aenys. As to whether or not he is Bittersteel's son, when his father consummate his marriage with Calla, and decided to have his children take the Blackfyre name. I think that is up to speculation. Maelys does seem to have Bittersteel's anger and attitude, but then that is just me.Aenys pre-deceased Daemon III. Aenys died in 233 AC, at the Great Council, Daemon III only at the fourth Blackfyre Rebellion, in 236 AC.. But yeah, this fourth, unnumbered Daemon, could have been either a son of Aenys, or of the sixth son of Daemon I, whereas Maelys descends from a younger sibling. I say Maelys is Daemon I grandson because if he killed the said cousin Daemon he has to be otherwise the options are he is Daemon s brother or uncle on even nephew, the only way he is bit Daemon I grandson is if the Daemon he killed was Bittersteels son through a Matrilineal marriage to Calla Blackfyre. There would even be room for this Daemon, and Maelys, to have been a great-grandchild of Daemon I. So no, they don't necessarily need to have been grandchildren. It could even be a combination, with Daemon having been a child of Daemon III, and Maelys simply having been a child of a younger sibling of Aenys. Daemon III was the eldest son of Haegon. Haegon was the fourth son of Daemon I, and thus born in or between 190 AC and 193 AC. His first child, Daemon III, could then have been born around 113 AC, and a child of Daemon III could then have been born in the years before Daemon died in 236 AC. This child would then, close to 259 AC, be old enough to be leading the GC, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrice Drowned Veteran Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Based on my own speculation, my theory goes something like this: Aegon IV Targaryen------Daena TargaryenI) Daemon Blackfyre ------ Rohanne of Tyrosh1) Aegon Blackfyre died in battle2) Aemon Blackfyre died in battle3) Daemon II Blackfyre died in Red Keep gaol (per Lordy Lyman)4) Haegon Blackfyre died in battle I) Daemon III Blackfyre died in battle5) Aenys Blackfyre executed by Bloodraven6) Unknown Son I) Daemon IV Blackfyre murdered by Maelys Blackfyre7) Unknown Son I) Maelys Blackfyre died in battle8) Calla Blackfyre ------- Aegor Rivers "Bittersteel" I) Uknown issue descendant - Aegon "Young Griff" (possibly)9) Unknown Daughter The strike-through representing the death of the "male line" of Blackfyres. The point of Bittersteel seems to point to Young Griff being of rather pure Targaryen blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 I like your Avatar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazfemur Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 House Blackfyre, house words as they have already been muttered: "For The Realm." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lyman Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 3) Daemon II Blackfyre died in battle He never died in battle. He was leader of the Second Blackfyre Rebellion, but that was put down before it ever got going. Last we knew Bloodraven took him prisoner and brought him back to the Red Keep. He was kept alive to try and deter Haegon from starting the third Blackfyre Rebellion. Its not known what happen to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon Blackfyre IV Posted November 22, 2014 Author Share Posted November 22, 2014 One thing we know is that Daemon III was crowned after his father Haegon died. Regardless of Bittersteel crowning Haegons son Aenys tried to claim the crown for himself through the great counsel. I'm so into this I'd love to see it in a tv series or a movie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay's Penguins Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 But who supported the Blackfyresssssssssssss.The Balls and the Costaynes and Peakes and Brackens and some others.Hardly half the realm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion of the West Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 But who supported the Blackfyresssssssssssss. The Balls and the Costaynes and Peakes and Brackens and some others. Hardly half the realm. If so, the those few Houses can muster a load of troops back in the day since they could knock the Lannisters out of the war and it seems like both Martell and Arryn have to come down to stop them. I'd say there were many, many, many Houses who supporter Blackfyre who have not yet been mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 I guess Aegons "friends in the Reach" will be old blackfyre supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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