Ser Wun Wun Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I don't think Arianne has changed all that much either, and neither does Daemon Sand it seems:Her father had confided in Ser Daemon when he chose him as his daughter's shield; with him at least she could speak freely. "I would sooner it were Quentyn who'd returned.""Or so you say," said Daemon Sand. "Good night, princess."He's not buying into her new "what's best for the family" act or whatever it is. She still covets power, only now it isn't just Dorne that she desires, she wants to be the Queen of Westeros like she would have been if the plans involving Viserys had worked out. At least that is the sense I got from it. She also lost her two Cyvasse games, which tells me she hasn't developed into quite the "player" Doran hopes she is. Add all this to the points Brashcandy made and I think it is clear that Arianne hasn't "improved" all that much. I also thought there was an interesting bit of foreshadowing with regards to Dany and Daario in the way Arianne reflected on her mistake with Darkstar:Poison, thought Arianne. Yes. Pretty poison, though. That was how he'd fooled her. Gerold Dayne was hard and cruel, but so fair to look upon that the princess had not believed half the tales she'd heard of him. Pretty boys had ever been her weakness, particularly the ones who were dark and dangerous as well. That was before, when I was just a girl, she told herself. I am a woman now, my father's daughter. I have learned that lesson.IIRC, Dany thinks of Daario in the same way; that he is hard and cruel, dark and dangerous....but so handsome she can't stop thinking about him. If Arianne's experience with Darkstar is any indication, then things aren't going to end all that well with Dany and Daario. Not that we all couldn't see that coming from a mile away anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intheswamp Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I still can't take any mention of Gerold Dayne seriously, but I do want to see Hotah take down Darkstar. I wonder if Dawn or Edric Dayne will show up in those interactions. Also, where is Balon? I was expecting Swann and Areo to become bros. I'm shipping Obara and Hotah now, off together tracking Darkstar, how romantic.Arianne just can't think about much else than sex. Even when talking about Connington, she's thinking about whether she can seduce him. Daemon has a much better shot at that.The chapter opening with her saying she is Dorne's only hope basically guarantees her downfall. That and she loses at cyvasse, which is the GRRM's version of Dragonball's scouter. Tyrion's power level is over 9000! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion Tanner Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I don't understand all I see on the webpage is theon's sample i dont see arianne. Could i get some help?Ya Nsain, if you figure it out, can you PM me the link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Soprano Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I loved it! It didn't really give us a lot of new info, except saying that Tarth may or may not have fallen to the Golden Company. They're making real progress in the Stormlands...I can't wait to see the Crown's reaction to this. We've got a new pirate king too. Part of me hopes it's Gerion Lannister, the Corsair King, but I think it's Aurane Waters. Getting rich thanks to all of the ships he stole. Lord of Waters and all...pretty obvious. A question: Was it ever mentioned in any of the previous books that Areo would be joining Obara's hunt for Darkstar? Oh God, I want another POV... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Euron Swagjoy Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I don't understand all I see on the webpage is theon's sample i dont see arianne. Could i get some help?Here's a link to the sample. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGriffonReborn Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Just give us the damn book George! Hurry up!Liked the chapter. New info. Kraken sightings, Lord Of The Waters(obviously Aurane), Dorne being suspicious of JC/Aegon/Dany. Of course that little girl's dream speaks for itself.Excited for JC and Arianne to meet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanon Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Also, Arrianne has information on military tactics against dragons. My greatest fear with the DotD part 2 was that it would be too easy for Dany to win. But it seems she will have to subvert the tactics that even Aegon couldnt defeat if she wants to win the "slayer of lies" title :devil: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrish Swamp Thing Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I do think Arianne is becoming more genre-savyy. Slowly, but noticeably so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nsain Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Ridiculous its his website f'ing up again. If you open that link in firefox it takes you to theon's sample chapter, but if you open that link in chrome it opens ariannes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted January 9, 2013 Author Share Posted January 9, 2013 The also lost her two Cyvasse games, which tells me she hasn't developed into quite the "player" Doran hopes she is. How long has passed since the end of AFfC? Six months, maybe? People are expecting a lot if she suddenly became a mastermind. She's a work in progress, but her thoughtfulness is definitely something new and good in her.As to "old tricks", hey, every weapon in the arsenal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melifeather Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I think Doran sent Daemon with Arianne for her to learn and grow. Daemon probably received explicit instructions to reject any advances. Arianne has to learn how to lead with her head instead of her "Myrish Swamp". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewJeffCT Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Interesting stuff revealed - I laughed when I saw Aurane Waters is now a feared pirate. But, also felt sorry for Brienne for Tarth having seemingly fallen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melifeather Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Didn't Tyrion lose games purposely in order to study his opponents? Can we hope Arianne is doing the same thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Wun Wun Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Is this not supposed to be the same Arianne chapter that GRRM read at a con several months ago? The reports we had on that chapter said Arianne saw first men painting's in a cave, made it to Griffin's Roost, learned about Aegon's taking of SE and decided to go meet him in person to end the chapter.So either Martin made some serious cuts/pushed things out or this is not the whole 2nd Arianne chapter. Not that I'm complaining, any ASOIAF is good ASOIAF, I'm just taking note of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewJeffCT Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I still can't take any mention of Gerold Dayne seriously, but I do want to see Hotah take down Darkstar. I wonder if Dawn or Edric Dayne will show up in those interactions. Also, where is Balon? I was expecting Swann and Areo to become bros. I'm shipping Obara and Hotah now, off together tracking Darkstar, how romantic.Arianne just can't think about much else than sex. Even when talking about Connington, she's thinking about whether she can seduce him. Daemon has a much better shot at that.The chapter opening with her saying she is Dorne's only hope basically guarantees her downfall. That and she loses at cyvasse, which is the GRRM's version of Dragonball's scouter. Tyrion's power level is over 9000!Was it confirmed that Connington is gay? Just because he and the Blackfish never married doesn't mean they're gay... and, just because somebody is married doesn't mean they're not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intheswamp Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Is this not supposed to be the same Arianne chapter that GRRM read at a con several months ago? The reports we had on that chapter said Arianne saw first men painting's in a cave, madeit to Griffin's Roost, learned about Aegon's taking of SE and decided to go meet him in person to end the chapter.So either Martin made some serious cuts/pushed things out or this is not the whole 2nd Arianne chapter. Not that I'm complaining, any ASOIAF is good ASOIAF, I'm just taking note of it.That was the 2nd Arianne chapter, this is the 1st one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor227 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 People don't just internally 180, but the big difference is now Arianne is -aware- of her faults and is trying to change them. She has some failings in that regard, but she now considers the alternatives to seduction as a strategy and all that (and heck, seduction still has its uses). She's matured, but hasn't completely transformed yet, so I'm liking her character a lot more.Daemon Sand seems to be a sort of correction in male companions from "I am of the night" Darkstar (who by the way, it's good we got some more exposition on), also the comparison to Daario was very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daena the Defiant Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 If I was picking a new handle for this forum, I would so totally go with 'Lady Lance.'Lord of Waters, by the by, is so clearly Aurane Waters with his fleet of stolen royal dromonds.Also, I think I love Lady Nymella and her daughters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harald Hard-Ruler Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 "A new pirate king has set up on Torturer's Deep. The Lord of the Waters, he styles himself. This one has real warships, three-deckers, monstrous large." Lord of the Waters or Lord Waters? :pirate: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashcandy Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 How long has passed since the end of AFfC? Six months, maybe? People are expecting a lot if she suddenly became a mastermind. She's a work in progress, but her thoughtfulness is definitely something new and good in her.As to "old tricks", hey, every weapon in the arsenal...I don't know Ran... :) She spends a lot of time thinking, but what is she thinking about really? Her past mistakes, how wrong she was to doubt Daddy's judgment, her friend Spotted Sylvia and her history with Daemon Sand. Yes, she's interested in the kind of man Jon Con is, but that is centred around knowing whether he'll be an easy target for bedding. I think the refusal to read the books was a big clue, and honestly, Elia Sand seems like she'll be creating more waves going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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