Myshkin Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Well I said nothing about male or female voters in my rant, but as to appealing mostly to white voters, look at the exit polls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Has anyone see any good exit polling data on first time Democratic voters and the ratio of support for Clinton and Sanders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonesy Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 As you didn't mention Berniebros, I didn't believe you had made any comment about females. And I've seen the exit polls. So I suppose we can conclude that the many white (male?) voters who swear to vote Sanders or no one at their word? I'm sure someone will be along shortly to ridicule that idea again shortly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 1 minute ago, Bonesy said: As you didn't mention Berniebros, I didn't believe you had made any comment about females. And I've seen the exit polls. So I suppose we can conclude that the many white (male?) voters who swear to vote Sanders or no one at their word? I'm sure someone will be along shortly to ridicule that idea again shortly. I don't think anyone's said that this isn't going to be the case - just that a) it's unlikely that most of the Sanders supporters will vote for Trump and b ) the overall amount of people that are preferring Sanders will vote for Clinton. There are some people like Altherion who will vote for Trump and justify it somehow. There are others who won't vote for Trump but will under no circumstances will not vote for Clinton, and also don't care if that means Trump wins because the US will at least hit rock bottom, and they don't care at all about what that actually might imply. (or they have secret survivalist fantasies where they figure because they're crossfitters they can survive and thrive in the apocalypse) The bigger question is simply how many of those people are there? Statistically it doesn't look like a ton. Even if you're just taking exit polls as representative - and there's a lot of reason to think that primary exit polls aren't indicative over the overall populace - you're looking at about 15-20% of Sanders supporters who would not be satisfied with Clinton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galactus Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Wait, what, people are seriously upset about Bill Clinton being at a polling place and greeting prospective voters? When his wife is running for president? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myshkin Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 7 minutes ago, Bonesy said: As you didn't mention Berniebros, I didn't believe you had made any comment about females. And I've seen the exit polls. So I suppose we can conclude that the many white (male?) voters who swear to vote Sanders or no one at their word? I'm sure someone will be along shortly to ridicule that idea again shortly. I'm not sure where you're getting this from my post, but I'll respond anyway. I believe that the discord between Sanders and Clinton supporters is overblown. I think most of us broadly agree on most of the issue, it's just a matter of where our priorities lie. To use the examples I used in my earlier post, I'm sure that most Sanders supporters care about the issue of institutionalized racism, but either they care slightly more about income inequality, or believe that fixing income inequality will go a long way towards addressing institutionalized racism. I'm also sure that most Clinton supporters care about income inequality, but either care more about another issue, such as institutionalized racism, or believe that Sanders' vision is too narrow. I can't tell you what's gonna happen come Election Day, but I believe the bulk of Sanders supporters will vote for Clinton if she's the nominee, just as I believe the bulk of Clintons supporters will vote for Sanders if he's the nominee. But in the end I can only speak for myself. I am a proud Clinton supporter, but if Bernie wins the nomination you bet your ass I'll be skipping to the polls to happily cast my vote for him. Eight years ago I was a proud Clinton supporter, but that didn't stop me crying tears of joy the night Barack Obama became our 44th president. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrackerNeil Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 1 hour ago, Myshkin said: I am a proud Clinton supporter, but if Bernie wins the nomination you bet your ass I'll be skipping to the polls to happily cast my vote for him. Eight years ago I was a proud Clinton supporter, but that didn't stop me crying tears of joy the night Barack Obama became our 44th president. Me, too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martell Spy Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 This is crazy. It's really looking like a party split. You have Palin calling Romney a silly man and Hannity going after Rubio. I really never thought I'd see the day when they'd go off message about those terrible socialist babykillers. This is worse than the time Romney was tricked by media into mounting a run. I wonder if he'll make another go at it? http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/gop-civil-war-2016-republicans-220209 Welcome to the GOP civil war With Donald Trump barreling toward the nomination despite an establishment desperate to stop him, the Republican Party is now in open conflict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alguien Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 Quote Honestly, just little things that come to mind. I wanted to get back to this, because two can play this kind of gotcha game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 2 hours ago, IheartIheartTesla said: Someone should become Bill Clinton's handler if he is ever to be First Gentleman and make sure he doesn't distract from the overall progressive agenda. Why wait till Jan 2017, someone should be his handler right now. I'm going to nominate Bill Burr. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2j2af0 Start at 3:20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodRider Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 55 minutes ago, alguien said: I wanted to get back to this, because two can play this kind of gotcha game. The simple truth is, you don't get to make a career in politics without having to make compromises, backtracking, getting splashed in shit, and getting less than what you want. Of course he has been inconsistent. He's a human. This is exactly why this insistence upon ideological purity is silly and gross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonesy Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 I make no secret of my distaste for Hillary Clinton. But I find the Republican candidates and indeed the majority of their party to be loathsome. They must not be allowed the presidency. I honestly believe Sanders is the best candidate to prevent that. That's why I'm so disheartened by these threads. I passionately want good things for my country. It would be nice if the Clinton supporters weren't so dismissive of that. But it's not a nice world; c'est la vie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrackerNeil Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 27 minutes ago, Bonesy said: I passionately want good things for my country. It would be nice if the Clinton supporters weren't so dismissive of that. I'm not sure how: Quote if Bernie wins the nomination you bet your ass I'll be skipping to the polls to happily cast my vote for him. is dismissive, but OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myshkin Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 18 minutes ago, Bonesy said: I make no secret of my distaste for Hillary Clinton. But I find the Republican candidates and indeed the majority of their party to be loathsome. They must not be allowed the presidency. I honestly believe Sanders is the best candidate to prevent that. That's why I'm so disheartened by these threads. I passionately want good things for my country. It would be nice if the Clinton supporters weren't so dismissive of that. But it's not a nice world; c'est la vie. I'm not dismissive of that at all. Bonesy, I can see how passionate you are in your beliefs, and I respect you for it. My not completely sharing your beliefs does not mean I dismiss them. But can't you see how continually arguing that Hillary (or $hillary) is buying this election, or how the game is rigged in her favor is maybe a bit dismissive of my beliefs? I haven't been bought, I haven't been fooled, I haven't been cheated. I believe that Hillary is the best candidate. I am not a sheep, a drone, or a shill. I am a human being, and I am capable of thinking for myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alguien Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 8 minutes ago, Bonesy said: I make no secret of my distaste for Hillary Clinton. But I find the Republican candidates and indeed the majority of their party to be loathsome. They must not be allowed the presidency. I honestly believe Sanders is the best candidate to prevent that. That's why I'm so disheartened by these threads. I passionately want good things for my country. It would be nice if the Clinton supporters weren't so dismissive of that. But it's not a nice world; c'est la vie. Hey LoB, I want the same things, and I like Sanders. I just prefer Clinton. After doing a lot of reading, I've found that most of the hyperbolic critiques flying her way have either been misleading, lacking context, or missing facts. I certainly could be filtering this through my own lens, but I feel like online I've seen so much more anti-Hillary rhetoric from Sanders' supporters than vice-versa. But mostly, I see people saying they like both, but prefer one over the other. I honestly think that's cool and that you should vote for who you prefer. I respect your opinion when I read it on the board. But the one thing I've started to believe is that demonizing one candidate to promote the other is a bad strategy and would suggest that perhaps Hillary isn't as bad as you might think. I honestly believe both Democratic candidates are accomplished public servants who have worked very hard to improve the world. And I believe them to be so much more accomplished and articulate than the other side that it's astonishing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Hermit Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 It seems Fox News is abandoning the conservative movement in favor of Trumpism. I'm seeing many conservatives who were loyal Fox News viewers now saying they are watching CNN instead, they still think it has a liberal bias but contains more actual news and less pandering. This will have long term consequences. Personally I think news channels in general are 98% gossip and entertainment, but at least they are moving on from the worst of the bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrackerNeil Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 8 minutes ago, Myshkin said: I'm not dismissive of that at all. Bonesy, I can see how passionate you are in your beliefs, and I respect you for it. My not completely sharing your beliefs does not mean I dismiss them. But can't you see how continually arguing that Hillary (or $hillary) is buying this election, or how the game is rigged in her favor is maybe a bit dismissive of my beliefs? I haven't been bought, I haven't been fooled, I haven't been cheated. I believe that Hillary is the best candidate. I am not a sheep, a drone, or a shill. I am a human being, and I am capable of thinking for myself. This is what has been ticking me off; the notion that if you don't FeeltheBern you're on the take. I'm tired of having my liberalism questioned, and I'm tired of being straightsplained about just who is the best candidate for gay rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zelticgar Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 Trump just confirmed he has a huuuuuuge penis... In a presidential debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Hermit Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 4 minutes ago, zelticgar said: Trump just confirmed he has a huuuuuuge penis... In a presidential debate. Well that is basically what his whole platform boils down to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteGabriel Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 My God, the arrogance. Trump is sure he's such an irresistible leader that the military will obey illegal orders if he gives them. Fuck him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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