youshallnotpass Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Relative army sizes of the Battle of Wintefell. (TV Show only) What are your thoughts on the battle and outcome. Please note that the figuers below for House Stark & House Bolton are correct from game of thrones sources with other houses are rough estimates. Forces: House Stark- 2000 stark levies/wildlings, 405 northerners (Hornwoods, Mazins, Mormonts), 1 Giant. Total: 2405 & 1 Giant House Bolton- 5000 bolton levies maybe current 4500 from previous battle with Stannis. House Umber possible 1000-1500 House Karstark 1000-1500. (Possibly Umber or Karstark, Stark supporters). Total: 6500-7500 Late comers: House Arryn- 25-30k knights of the Vale, will rally to House Stark. Northern Houses: 10k northmen (Houses Manderly, Glover, Dustin, Ryswell, Cerwyn, Reed) House Stark victors with total annilation of Bolton forces. House Arryn and norther houses as late comers. I have included the other northern houses because of a rumor that: Spoiler Jon becomes king of the north with several chacters making speaches proclaiming him king. This will make sense for the other northern houses to be in attendence. What are your thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonisHenryTudor Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 I too find it a little peculiar that in this particular battle involving three Starks, the north would stay neutral. I don't buy it. Yes it could happen, but it would be very odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Tiger Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Im thinking The Vale saves the day and Jon's life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmug Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 I predict the end of the battle the Starks and co. celebrate with a HUGE bonfire... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
of man and wolf Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 2 hours ago, Red Tiger said: Im thinking The Vale saves the day and Jon's life. and that sucks...just the fact LF and the vale win the battle for the North...ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youshallnotpass Posted June 13, 2016 Author Share Posted June 13, 2016 21 minutes ago, of man and wolf said: and that sucks...just the fact LF and the vale win the battle for the North...ugh. For some reason I belive the Vale army will rock up after the battl, I just know that someone will turn on Ramsey and turn the tide of the batte. Then the Vale comes swooping in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 We all know who's going to win guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Matthis Light Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 21 hours ago, JonisHenryTudor said: I too find it a little peculiar that in this particular battle involving three Starks, the north would stay neutral. I don't buy it. Yes it could happen, but it would be very odd. Jon's a Snow, so really the battle involves two true Starks and Jon.....The Geek in me wouldn't let this go XD 46 minutes ago, of man and wolf said: and that sucks...just the fact LF and the vale win the battle for the North...ugh. I totally agree LF and VK come save the day and be the heroes...But I guess I shouldn't be surprised, this is the Game of Thrones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Jeffrey Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 23 hours ago, youshallnotpass said: Forces: House Stark- 2000 stark levies/wildlings, 405 northerners (Hornwoods, Mazins, Mormonts), 1 Giant. Total: 2405 & Wun Giant Sorry, couldn't help myself. But seriously, though, It's gonna feel sort of anticlimactic if LF swoops all Tywin-like and wins the battle for the Starks, especially since, given this sunday's episode, I think that's exactly what's gonna happen in Meereen, with the Iron Fleet coming up and destroying the volantene fleet after Dany bashes any army the Masters might have approaching Meereen by land. If this happens, though, the silver lining is we might get an interesting piece of conversation between LF an Jon, as I'm a firm believer that LF knows a tad more about R+L=J based on his conversation with Sansa in the crypts last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonisHenryTudor Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 45 minutes ago, Sir Matthis Light said: Jon's a Snow, so really the battle involves two true Starks and Jon.....The Geek in me wouldn't let this go XD I totally agree LF and VK come save the day and be the heroes...But I guess I shouldn't be surprised, this is the Game of Thrones. Ehh Jon is not a bastard. So no, not really. Besides he was raised by Ned. He is culturally and morally a Stark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Matthis Light Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 2 minutes ago, JonisHenryTudor said: Ehh Jon is not a bastard. So no, not really. ? You quoting R+L? If so, we don't know if he married her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonisHenryTudor Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Just now, Sir Matthis Light said: ? You quoting R+L? If so, we don't know if he married her. Marriage in the middle ages did not require jumps through several hoops. Just a witness. At any rate, point still stands. The north won't sit by ( at least I don't think) with two of Ned's successors standing against Ramsey and another held captive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watcher of the night Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 That this is an unrelaistic and plotdriven engagement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Matthis Light Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 6 minutes ago, JonisHenryTudor said: Marriage in the middle ages did not require jumps through several hoops. Just a witness. At any rate, point still stands. The north won't sit by ( at least I don't think) with two of Ned's successors standing against Ramsey and another held captive. I don't see where your getting at lol ? You said Jon wasn't a bastard, but Jon Snow is a bastard( So far in the Story, T.V., and We don't know if R married L, but I'm sure we'll find out ) Hes been mention to be a bastard since season 1 lol. I could go on and on about the many scenes of someone calling him Snow, but I won't And like I said above " So far in the Story,T.V, and We don't know if R married L, but I'm sure we'll find out " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonisHenryTudor Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Just now, Sir Matthis Light said: I don't see where your getting at lol ? You said Jon wasn't a bastard, but Jon Snow is a bastard( So far in the Story, and We don't know if R married L, but I'm sure we'll find out ) Hes been mention to be a bastard since season 1 lol. I could go on and on about the many scenes of someone calling him Snow, but I won't I think you are confusing yourself, and making too much of a surname. Everyone knows that Jon is of Ned's line. The point is that three of Ned's line are trying to take Winterfell back (well one is captive), and the North sitting by and not helping (especially given the loyalty to the Starks in the books) doesn't add up. But you're stuck on surnames..... I called Jon a Stark, because he is morally, culturally, and socially a Stark. Surname doesn't define who you are. Jon is and always will be a Stark. He was raised by Starks and grew up with Starks. Politically speaking he might be a "Snow", but that really isn't my point anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Matthis Light Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 2 minutes ago, JonisHenryTudor said: I think you are confusing yourself, and making too much of a surname. Everyone knows that Jon is of Ned's line. The point is that three of Ned's line are trying to take Winterfell back (well one is captive), and the North sitting by and not helping (especially given the loyalty to the Starks in the books) doesn't add up. But you're stuck on surnames..... I called Jon a Stark, because he is morally, culturally, and socially a Stark. Surname doesn't define who you are. Jon is and always will be a Stark. He was raised by Starks and grew up with Starks. Politically speaking he might be a "Snow", but that really isn't my point anyway. Ok...I'm done lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tugela Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 The Umbers at least would have lost most of their fighting men at the Red Wedding. There is no way they are going to be able to produce that many men when the other houses only have a few hundred. What happened to the Karstarks isn't clear. Most likely the men themselves would have taken off after Robb cut their lords head off, but they would not have been able to go home because Moat Caolin was occupied by the Ironborn. Most likely they would have scattered in the riverlands becoming bandits or gone on their way as individuals. So the Karstarks probably only have a few hundred men as well. The only force that should have any substance are the Boltons. It is hard to image that they would have 5000+ men sitting in Winterfell though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Tiger Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 2 hours ago, JonisHenryTudor said: Ehh Jon is not a bastard. So no, not really. Besides he was raised by Ned. He is culturally and morally a Stark. This is not how it works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watcher of the night Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 5 minutes ago, Red Tiger said: This is not how it works Tell that to the sandsnakes, they seem to be fine in Dorne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draevan13 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Judging by the preview the entire episode is going to focus on the battle, like the Blackwater and Battle at the Wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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