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Winter Fell?Again.

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Well it's been 5 years since we wandered down this track.It's still a bit snowy at Winterfell by the latest reports.

Here sits the last iteration of this thread.My abiding memory of it is the quality of discussion it generated.

Since then we haven't had the Winds of Winter published but we have had a few chapters of same and the World of Ice and Fire plus some Targaryen stuff.

So,yes what the hell is "Winter is coming" all about?

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Ah, those were the days. Read and enjoy, all of you and then carry on the discussion here :commie:

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I don't have the time to go through the whole 22 page thread, but I really liked your original post, a lot.  Since I haven't read the thread forgive me if I stumble upon well trodden ground.  

My first thought is that the Starks were originally Kings of Winter, not Summer.  So I'm not sure that the presence of a Stark bloodline is necessary to prevent a winter from occurring.  In fact, there is an interesting passage in ADWD that makes me wonder if once upon a time they could bring about an unusually harsh winter for their benefit.

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When old King Edrick Stark had grown too feeble to defend his realm, the Wolf's Den was captured by slavers from the Stepstones.  They would brand their captives with hot irons and break them to the whip before shipping them off across the sea, and the same black stone walls bore witness.

"Then a long cruel winter fell," said Ser Bartimus.  "The White Knife froze hard, and even the firth was icing up.  The winds came howling from the north and drove them slavers inside to huddle round their fires, and whilst they warmed themselves the new king come down on them.  Brandon Stark this was, Edrick Snowbeard's great-grandson, him that men called Ice Eyes.  He took the Wolf's Den back, stripped the slavers naked, and gave them to the slaves he'd found chained up in the dungeons.  It's said they hung their entrails in the branches of the heart tree, as an offering to the gods.  The old gods, not these new ones from the south.  Your Seven don't know winter, and winter don't know them."

So we have a King of Winter, nicknamed Ice Eyes, who swoops down on White Harbor as the slavers' attention was diverted by the cruel winter winds.  

Now fast forward to the current events.  We have another winter harsh winter that appears after the marriage in front of Winterfell's Heart Tree of another "lord" who's eyes have been compared to ice:

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Ramsay was clad in black and pink- black boots, black belt and scabbard, black leather jerkin over a pink velvet doublet slashed with dark red satin.  In his right ear gleamed a garnet cut in the shape of a drop of blood.  yet for all the splendor of his garb, he remained an ugly man, big-boned and sloped-shouldered, with a fleshiness to him that suggested that in later life he would run to fat.  His skin was pink and blotchy, his nose broad, his mouth small, his hair long and dark and dry.  His lips were wide and meaty, but the thing men noticed first about him were his eyes.  He had his lord father's eyes-small, close-set, queerly pale.  Ghost grey, some men called the shade, but in truth his eyes were all but colorless, like two chips of dirty ice.

Preston Jacobs had an interesting video, where he suggested that Roose Bolton was probably not Ramsay's father.  If you look at their description, it is remarkably different, other than the pale eyes.  However Preston brought up the fact that at least in real world genetics the condition that would cause pale eyes, is only inherited through the mother, not the father.  It's called ocular albinism, in other words being an albino in the eyes only.  It's inherited through the X-chromosome.  Which means if George is using a real world genetic condition, then his pale eyes were inherited from his mother and not his father, since he can only inherit a Y chromosome through his father.

So if true, I do wonder, if we'll later find out Ramsay's true lineage.  I remember in a long ago heresy thread, someone brought up the possibility of Ramsay being one of Craster's "sons" who was taken south of the Wall rather than being given over to the White Walkers.  And there are some parts of his description that is consistent with Craster, big boned, fleshy, and a broad nose are descriptions that fit both.  Perhaps we'll learn that Craster's bloodlines, or the bloodlines of Craster's original wife were somehow descended from a Stark offshoot, that carried with it the bloodlines from the Kings of Winter of old, which is perhaps lost in the current Stark bloodline.  

 

 

Edited by Frey family reunion

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