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Birth years of the Targaryens

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Hello everybody,

I have been reading the books of A Song of Ice and Fire and the Tales of Dunk and Egg, and I have examined the Targaryen family tree, and the conclusion is that they are very very complicated as a family. Most birth years aren't known, and westeros.org only gives very vague years (thanks to the information from the books, short stories and SSM). I have taken it upon myself to try and figure out the years of birth from all the Targaryens where it was possible, from Princess Rhaenyra until Daenarys. This proved some difficulty, and I was hoping that the people reading this could tell me whether or not I made a mistake somewhere. I hope you all find this as interesting as I do.

I sincerely apologize if everything becomes a bit fuzzy to follow, since, from the starting point, a lot of people have the names Aegon and Viserys. But you're at this forum, so you probably already knew that at least six Aegons and three Viserys' have lived, so we continue. It's a long piece, so buckle up


Edit: Updated with information GRRM released while announcing The Rogue Prince, or, the King's Brother.

Edit 21-3-14: Updated with information from the official app

Edit 17-6-14: Updates with The Rogue Prince

Edit 16-8-14: Updated with information from the Fire and Blood reading from LonCon
Edit 30-11-14: Updated with The World of Ice and Fire information. Including a bonus feature!

Should this thread awaken your interest in years of birth (and death), and the calculations that go with them, you might interested in the Wiki-Timeline Project link :)

The Dragon and his (grand)children

It has been confirmed that Aegon has been born in 27 BC. Visenya was one or two years older, Rhaenys one or two years younger, meaning that Visenya was born in either 28 BC or 29 BC, and Rhaenys in either 25 BC or 26 BC.

Aegon had two children, one with each sister-wife. Visenya birthed Maegor in 12 AC, Rhaenys birthed Aenys in 7 AC.

Aenys would marry his cousin Alyssa Velaryon in 22 AC, (Alyssa was, just like Aenys, born in 7 AC, a granddaughter of Daemon Velaryon, and had an unknown Targaryen mother) and their first born child, Rhaena, would be born in 23 AC. Aegon and Alyssa would have five more children: Aegon, born in 26 AC, Viserys, born in 29 AC, Jaehaerys, born in 34 AC, Alysanne, born in 36 AC, and Vaella, born in 39AC.

Rhaenys, the sister-wife of Aegon I, died in 10 AC in Dorne (or so history tells us). Aegon was the next of the original trio to die, in 37 AC, and Visenya died in 44 AC, outliving even Aenys, who died in 42 AC. Visenya’s son, Maegor, died in 48 AC.

Aenys and Alyssa saw their two eldest children wed to one another: Rhaena and Aegon married in 41 AC, and would have two twin daughters: Aerea and Rhalla (it would seem that Aerea is the eldest of the two, as she is named heir by Maegor over the period of 47 AC and 48 AC, not Rhalla). Aegon died in 43 AC, and it has been specifically stated that he left his sister-wife and their twin daughters behind upon his death, meaning that, at least in 43 AC, the twin girls had already been born. As Rhaena and Aegon had wed in 41 AC, Aerea and Rhalla were born in either 41 AC, 42 AC or 43 AC.

As stated, Aegon died in 43 AC. It is unknown when Rhaena died, but it is known that she lived at least until 48 AC, as she outlived her uncle and second husband, Maegor. Their brother, Prince Viserys, died in 44 AC, shortly after Queen Visenya. Jaehaerys and Alysanne would both live on for quite a long time: Jaehaerys died only in 103 AC, Alysanne lived until either 99 AC or 100 AC.

Alyssa Velaryon, half-Targaryen on her mothers side, would live at least until 52 AC, as she was the regent for her son Jaehaerys I until 50 AC. Half a year after Jaehaerys had turned 16, Alyssa was wed to Lord Robar Baratheon, and she would have two more children by him: Boremund, born in 51 AC or later, and Jocelyn, born in 52 AC or later. It is unknown when Alyssa died, but it won’t have been before 52 AC.

Jocelyn would live at least until 74 AC, when her daughter was born. Jocelyn would have been at least 13 years old in 74 AC, thus she was born in 61 AC the latest. Boremund, if the MUSH 2.0 can be trusted, would have lived at least long enough to father Borros (b. 88). In any case, Boremund was the elder of the two siblings, and thus, would have been born at least one year before Jocelyn, making 60 AC his last potential year of birth.

For who did they name their children?

Whilst Maegor doesn’t seem to have been named for anyone (save perhaps a Targaryen who lived on Dragonstone before the Conquest, or even a Targaryen before, who lived in Valyria), Aenys’ name does ring a bell. There are two ways to view the name Aenys: 1) either he’s named for both his parents, with the Ae- from Aegon, and –nys from Rhaenys, or 2) you could argue that Aenys was named for Rhaenys only, as Rhaenys – Rh = Aenys

There’s a more clear pattern to be seen with the names of Aenys’ children:

  • Rhaena; clearly named for Aenys’ mother, Rhaenys
  • Aegon; obviousy named for Aenys’ father, Aegon
  • Viserys; seems to have been named for Aenys’ aunt, for the woman who raised him after his own mother died, Visenya

Jaehaerys, Alysanne and Vaella aren’t names that look like any that appear in the Targaryen tree up until that generation (though Jaehaerys and Vaella do sound Valyrian enough). And that’s true, but let’s not forget, Aenys was married to Alyssa Velaryon, and in The Rogue Prince it is specifically stated that Corlys Velaryon wanted his first grandchild to be named Jacaerys, a specific Velaryon name. This name is rather similar to the name Jaehaerys, so it seems clear that Jaehaerys is a name that appears more often in the Velaryon tree (or, at least, is inspired by one or multiple names on the Velaryon tree). The name Vaella sounds rather similar to Vaemond, as in Ser Vaemond Velaryon. So the name Vaella seems to also be (inspired by) a Velaryon name. It would therefore be logical, that, as Aenys’ first three children were named for Targaryens, his last three children were named for Velaryons (Alyssa’s family). The name Alysanne, therefore, might also be (inspired by) a Velaryon name. In fact, as has been suggested up-thread, Alysanne might have been named for her mother, Alyssa.

The children of Jaehaerys and Alysanne

Jaehaerys and Alysanne got married in 50 AC. Their first child, Aegon, could thus have been born the earliest in 50 AC.

Aemon had his first child born in 74 AC. He would have been at least 13 years old upon Rhaenys’ birth, and thus, he was born no later than 61 AC. As Aemon is the third born child of Jaehaerys and Alysanne, he could not have been born before 52 AC. Aemon was thus born in or between 52 AC and 61 AC.

Alyssa is at least one year older than Aemon. Aemon was born in 63 AC the latest, so Alyssa would have been born in 62 AC the latest. As Alyssa is the second born child, she would have been born in 51 AC the earliest. Alyssa was thus born in or between 51 AC and 60 AC.

As Aegon will have been at least one year older than Alyssa, Aegon won’t have been born before 61 AC. Aegon was thus born in or between 50 AC and 59 AC.

Baelon’s first child was born in 77 AC. Baelon woud have been at least 13 years old at the birth of his first born child, meaning that Baelon was born in 64 AC the latest. Baelon was the fourth born child, and could thus have been born as early as the fourth year of Jaehaerys and Alysanne’s marriage, which is 53 AC. Baelon was thus born in or between 53 AC and 64 AC.

Daella was married in 80 AC, and gave birth to her first child in 82 AC. That means that in 82 AC, she would have been at least 13 years old, meaning that she was born no later than 69 AC. However, Daella is known to have lived at least until the age of 16, and thus, was at least 16 years old when she died in 82 AC. That means that Daella was born no later than 66 AC. Daella is the fifth born child, and thus would have been born no earlier than 54 AC, one year after Baelon, and the fifth year of the marriage of Jaehaerys and Alysanne. Daella was thus born in or between 54 AC and 66 AC.

Gael was the thirteenth child of Jaehaerys and Alysanne. It is known that Gael lived until adulthood, which is 16 in Westeros. As Gael is stated to have died in 99 AC, this means that Gael was at least 16 years old in 99 AC, placing her birth no later than 83 AC. As Gael was the thirteenth child, she could have been born in the thirteenth year of the marriage of Alysanne and Jaehaerys the earliest, which would be 62 AC. Gael was thus born in or between 62 AC and 83 AC. No further specification can be given.

Aeryn was at least one year younger than Daella, and at least seven years older than Gael. That would mean than Aeryn was born in or between 55 AC and 76 AC.

Vaegon was at least one year younger than Aeryn, and at least six years older than Gael. That would mean that Vaegon was born in or between 56 AC and 77 AC

Maegelle was at least one year younger than Vaegon, and at least five years older than Gael. That would mean that Maegelle was born in or between 57 AC and 78 AC.

Valerion was at least one year younger than Maegelle, and at least four years older than Gael. That would mean that Valerion was born in or between 58 AC and 79 AC.

Viserra was at least one year younger than Valerion, and at least three years older than Gael. That would mean that Viserra was born in or between 59 AC and 80 AC.

Gaemon was at least one year younger than Viserra, and at least two years older than Gael. That would mean that Gaemon was born in or between 60 AC and 81 AC.

Saera was at least one year younger than Gaemon, and at least one year older than Gael. That would mean that Saera was born in or between 61 AC and 82 AC.

About the deaths of the children of Jaehaerys and Alysanne, little and less can be said. Aemon died in 92 AC, Baelon in 101 AC. Daella died after giving birth to her daughter, Aemma, in 82 AC. Maegelle died in 96 AC. Gael died in 99 AC. Aegon, Aeryn, Valerion and Gaemon did not live until the age of 16, though, since for Aegon, that would theoretically mean that he died in or between 66 AC and 75 AC, and Aemon already had his first child (Rhaenys) in 74 AC, it would seem that Aegon, and most likely also Aeryn, Valerion, and Gaemon, died early in childhood. Princess Viserra lived at least until the age of 16, but died before she could be wed, so presumably, she would have died in her late teens, or early twenties (though late teens is most likely). Viserra’s death would thus have occurred in or after 75 AC. About Vaegon and Saera, nothing regarding their deaths is known, besides the fact that they all lived at least until the age of 16. For Vaegon, that means that he lived at least until 72 AC, for Saera that she lived at least until 77 AC. The description of both suggests heavily that both lived much longer than that :)

Alyssa would have lived at least until the birth of her third child, Aegon. As she birthed her first child in 77 AC (Viserys), and her second in 81 AC (Daemon), she would have given birth to Aegon in either 82 AC or later. Alyssa thus died in 82 AC or later.

For who did they name their children?

Jaehaerys and Alysanne don’t seem to have a naming pattern for all of their children, as clearly as Aenys did.

  • Aegon; seems obvious, named for both Aegon I, and Jaehaerys’ brother, Prince Aegon (b. 26 AC, d. 43 AC)
  • Alyssa; named for the mother of both Jaehaerys and Alysanne
  • Aemon; common Targaryen name?
  • Baelon; common Targaryen name? There was a Targaryen on Dragonstone before the Conquest with this name.
  • Daella; Common Targaryen name?
  • Aeryn; while it sounds like Arryn, I highly doubt that this is what Aeryn is named for.
  • Vaegon; like Vaella and Vaemond, I would judge this to have been a Velaryon name
  • Maegelle;
  • Valerion; sounds like Balerion (the Black Dread) and Velaryon are combined here
  • Viserra; with the rumours about Visenya having killed Aenys, and with Visenya keeping Viserys, Jaehaerys, Alysanne and Alyssa prisoner in Maegor’s name, it would seem that Viserra is not named for Visenya, but most likely for Viserys, the brother of Jaehaerys and Alysanne.
  • Gaemon; Unknown, but Gaemon the Glorious comes to mind
  • Saera; Common Targaryen/Valyrian name?
  • Gael; Common Targaryen/Valyrian name?

The seeds of the Dance

The children of Jaehaerys and Alysanne who had wed, all had children as well.

Prince Aemon had wed his aunt, Jocelyn Baratheon. They had one daughter together, Rhaenys, who was born in 74 AC. Rhaenys would die in 129 AC.

Rhaenys would marry Corlys Velaryon, who was born in 53 AC, and have two children by him. Laena, born in 93 AC, and Laenor, born in 94 AC. Both Laena and Laenor would die in 120 AC.

Alyssa and Baelon would have three children: Viserys, born in 77 AC, Daemon, born in 81 AC, and Aegon, born in 82 AC or later. Aegon’s death is unknown. Viserys would die in 129 AC, on the 3rd day of the 3rd month, and Daemon in 130 AC, on the 22nd day of the 5th month.

Daella married Rodrik Arryn in 80 AC, and had one child by him: Aemma, born in 82 AC. Aemma would die because of childbirth in 105 AC.

Viserys, son of Alyssa and Baelon, and Aemma, daughter of Daella and Rodrik, would marry in 93 AC, and have three children: an unknown son, born in either 95 AC (as Aemma would have been at least 13 years old at the birth of her first child) and 96 AC, Rhaenyra, born in 97 AC, and Baelon, born in 105 AC. The unknown son would die in the cradle, Rhaenyra in 130 AC, on the ??th day of the 10th month, and Baelon in 105 AC, one day after his birth.

This leads to two original surviving lines, which reunited by marriage. Ser Laenor married Princess Rhaenyra in 114 AC, and their first child was born in that same year: Jacaerys. Lucerys followed in 115 AC, and Joffrey in 117 AC.

Lady Laena would marry Prince Daemon in 115 AC, the second son of Prince Baelon and Princess Alyssa. She gave birth to twin girls in 116 AC, and an unnamed boy in 120 AC. The boy died shortly after birth. The deaths of Rhaena and Baela are unknown, but both were mentioned to have been alive in 133 AC. Further, Rhaena had been married to her first husband, of House Corbray, until his death in 134 AC, and would next marry Lord Garmund Hightower, whom she would birth six daughters, meaning she lived at least until 140 AC, if her marriage took place the same year she was widowed.

Daemon (who had been wed to Rhea Royce from 97 AC until 115 AC), would marry his niece, Princess Rhaenyra, after both his wife Laena, and Rhaenyra’s husband Laenor, had died, in 120 AC. Their marriage would yield three more children: Aegon, born in 120 AC, Viserys, born in 122 AC and Visenya, stillborn in 129 AC.

Rhaenyra’s sons by Laenor would all die in the Dance of the Dragons: Lucerys and Jacaerys in 129 AC, Joffrey in 130 AC. Aegon “the Younger” would live until 157 AC, Viserys until 172 AC.

Rhaenyra’s father, Viserys I, meanwhile, had remarried in 106 AC to Alicent Hightower, who had birthed him four more children: Aegon, “Aegon the Elder”, born in 107 AC, Helaena, born in 109 AC, Aemond, born in 110 AC, and Daeron, born in 114 AC. Aegon and Helaena would marry in 123 AC, and their first children, the twins Jaehaerys and Jaehaera, would be born that same year. Their second son Maelor would be born in 127 AC. Jaehaerys would die in 129 AC, Maelor in 130 AC, Jaehaera in 133 AC. Aegon “the Elder” would die in 131 AC, Helaena, Aemond and Daeron in 130 AC.

For who did they name their children?

It would seem that Rhaenys was named for Queen Rhaenys, despite none left alive having lived long enough to have known her. As it was the line of Aegon and Rhaenys that continued the line of the dragons, the name Rhaenys for the daughter of the original heir to the throne makes sense.

Both the names Laena and Laenor could easily originate as Velaryon names.

Rhaenyra’s name is probably inspired from the name “Rhaenys” as well. Jacaerys and Lucerys, as is known, are Velaryon names, Joffrey, named for a Stormlander. Aegon the Younger is, like Aegon the Elder, clearly named for Aegon I, and Viserys for his grandfather, Viserys I. Visenya, Rhaenyra’s youngest child and only daughter, seems to have been named for Queen Visenya (I suppose because Queen Visenya was a strong woman, and Rhaenyra would like that).

Helaena, Aemond and Daeron don’t seem to have been named for any specific Targaryens, but the names clearly have a Valyrian/Targaryen origin. The same goes for Maelor. Jaehaerys and Jaehaera would be named for Jaehaerys I.

The children of Aegon III “the Younger”

Aegon III ascended the throne at the age of 11 in 131 AC, and married his cousin Jaehaera that same year. Their marriage yielded no children, as Jaehaera was only 8 years old upon her marriage, and 10 when she died in 133 AC. Aegon III married anew, to Daenaera Velaryon, born in 127 AC. This marriage would yield five children: Daeron, born in 143 AC, Baelor, born in 144 AC, Daena, born in 145 AC, Rhaena, born in 147 AC, and Elaena, born in 150 AC.

Daeron died in 161 AC, before he could wed, and Baelor died in 171 AC. Elaena lived at least until the age of 70, meaning she died in 220 AC or later. Neither Rhaena, nor Daena, have much information about their deaths, but it is known that neither of them ever lived until the age of 70, meaning that Daena died before 215 AC, and Rhaena before 217 AC.

Elaena married trice, and also birthed twin bastards, Jon and Jeyne Waters. It is unknown whether the bastards were born before or after Elaena’s first marriage. They thus could have been born anywhere in the reigns of Viserys II and Aegon IV (171 – 184).

Elaena married Ossifer Plumm in 176 AC, and birthed a child (Viserys) roughly nine months after the wedding. Viserys was thus born in either 176 AC or 177 AC, as we don’t know when in the year the marriage took place.

In the reign of Daeron II, Elaena married again, this time to Ronnel Penrose. Ronnel died at some point during Daeron’s reign, as Elaena married Michael Manwoody with Daeron’s blessing shortly after Ronnel had died (and Daeron can’t give his blessing for a marriage if he is dead ;) ).

Elaena and Ronnel had four children. As Elaena couldn’t have conceived after having gone through menopause (around 200 AC, at the age of 50), their children were thus born between 184 AC and 200 AC.

That means that Robin was born between 184 AC and 197 AC, Laena between 185 AC and 198 AC, Jocelyn between 186 AC and 199 AC, and Joy between 187 AC and 200 AC.

For who did they name their children?

As Daeron the Daring fought against the family of Aegon III, it might seem strange at first that Aegon III would name his firstborn Daeron. But do keep in mind, his wife was Daenaera Velaryon, whose father had been Daeron Velaryon. It seems that Aegon III allowed for his first born child to have been named after the late father of his wife.

The name Baelor, while seemingly not having a specific origin, is clearly a Targaryen variant (Baelor/Baelon). Daena is most likely named for her mother, Daenaera, Rhaena for either Rhaena, sister of Jaehaerys I, or for Rhaenyra, the mother of Aegon III. Elaena, I would suggest, was either named for Elaena Targaryen who lived on Dragonstone before the Conquest (sister-wife of Aegon), or for Helaena, the aunt of Aegon III, and the only one of the children of Alicent Hightower who does not seem to have been actively against Rhaenyra and her children.

In addition, as had been suggested up-thread, Baelor and Rhaena could have been named after King Aegon III's sisters, Rhaena and Baela.

For Elaena, a Velaryon origin for her name is also a possibility.

Daena, it is mentioned, named her son for Prince Daemon Targaryen.

Elaena named her bastards Jon and Jeyne, which don’t seem to fit with either House Targaryen, or House Velaryon. Her first “trueborn” child was named Viserys. While the conception of the child occurred in 176 AC (and thus the birth itself in either 176 AC or 177 AC), it seems likely that Viserys Plumm was named for Viserys II. He was, after all, the man who would have freed Elaena out of the Maidenvault.

Elaena’s other children (Robin, Laena, Jocelyn and Joy), seem less clear. Whilst Robin would fit in with Ronnel, his father, and Laena with Laena Velaryon, Jocelyn and Joy sound rather alike. Whilst there is a very small chance that Jocelyn could have been named for Jocelyn Baratheon (Elaena does not descent from Jocelyn’s line, so this might be strange), it seems more likely that both Jocelyn and Joy were not named for anyone specific (or, they were named for someone in Ronnel’s family).

The children of Viserys II

Viserys had three children with his wife, Larra Rogare. Aegon, born in 135 AC, Aemon, born in 136 AC, and Naerys, born in 138 AC.

Aegon and Naerys were married in early 153 AC, and their son Daeron was born on the last day of that year. Naerys would give birth three more times: in 161 AC, to stillborn twins, in 172 AC, to twins, where the boy died, but the girl, Daenerys, lived, and in 179 AC, which was the pregnancy that killed her. Aemon, her brother, had predeceased her with a year, in 178 AC.

For who did they name their children?

Why Daeron was named Daeron seems unclear. He was born in 153 AC, when Daeron I was only 10 years old, so Daeron II was clearly not named for his cousin. But then for who? Daeron Velaryon, like Daeron I was? That would seem unlikely, as neither Aegon IV nor Naerys would have ever met Daeron Velaryon.

Both Daeron and Daenerys could have been named for Daenaera Velaryon, the wife of Aegon III, and possibly the only mother-figure that Aegon, Aemon and Naerys had after Larra Rogare left King’s Landing for Lys in 139 AC. As Daenaera would have lived at least until 150 AC to birth Elaena, this remains a possibility.

Daenerys, I imagine, could easily have been either a combination of Daenaera and Naerys, or Daenys and Naerys.

The bastards of Aegon the Unworthy

Aegon had plenty of bastards, and for all those who were acknowledged, we can make an overview:

  • Daemon Waters, later Daemon Blackfyre, born in 170 AC
  • Alysanne (Rivers), born in 155 AC, Lily (Rivers), born in 156 AC, Willow (Rivers), born in 157 AC, Rosey (Rivers), born in 158 AC
  • Bellanora, born between 161 AC and 169 AC, Narha, born between 162 AC and 170 AC, and Balerion, born between 163 AC and 171 AC
  • Aegor Rivers, born in 172 AC, a fortnight before Daenerys
  • Mya Rivers, born in either 172 AC or 173 AC, Gwenys Rivers, born in either 173 AC or 174 AC, and Brynden Rivers, born in 175 AC
  • Shiera, born in or between 178 AC and 184 AC

For who did they name their children?

Whilst it would seem that it mostly were the mothers who choose the names of their children, it would seem to me that Alysanne could have been named for Good Queen Alysanne (though, seeing as the name seems to have become rather popular since the reign of Aegon I, it might be more likely that this occurred indirectly, and thus that the name Alysanne was simply a popular choice amongst the people, stuck in the head of Megette).

Balerion would seem clear (as the last child is named the same as the Black Dread, perhaps Bellegere named her child for the biggest Targaryen dragon in an attempt to “rebel” against the rumours about the “questionable paternity” of her children).

Aegor Rivers would seem to have been named for Aegon, in an attempt by the Brackens to win more favour.

Daeron the Good’s Children and Grandchildren

Daeron and Mariah had four children. Baelor was born in 170 AC, as he was 39 in 209 AC (leaving the possibilities 170 AC and 169 AC), and because he was 17 years old at Daenerys’ marriage, which took place in 187 AC. As it is a historical work where 187 AC is stated as the year where Baelor was 17, it would be the year that Baelor would turn 17, making 170 AC his year of birth.

As it is stated that Daeron II’s sister Daenerys was born when Daeron already had a child of himself, and not “had children”, it is implied that Aerys was born only after Daenerys. Since Daenerys was born in 172 AC, Aerys could have been born in 172 AC the earliest as well, simply later in the year than Daenerys.

Rhaegel, in that case, would have been born at least a year later, thus in 173 AC the earliest, and Maekar even a year later, in 174 AC the earliest.

Maekar’s eldest son, Daeron (the Drunken), was 18 years old in 209 AC. That would mean that Daeron was born in either 190 AC (18 turning 19 in 209 AC) or 191 AC (17 turning 18 in 209 AC). With his eldest son born in 191 AC the latest, Maekar would have been at least 13 years old in 191 AC, meaning that he was born no later than 188 AC.

With Maekar’s birth no later than 178 AC, Rhaegel’s birth would have occurred no later than one year before, in 177 AC, and Aerys’ no later than 176 AC.

Thus, Maekar was born in or between 174 AC and 178 AC, Rhaegel in or between 173 AC and 177 AC, and Aerys in or between 172 AC and 176 AC.

Baelor Breakspear had two sons, Valarr and Matarys. Baelor would have been at least 13 years old when his sons were born, and thus, Valarr was born no earlier than 183 AC, and Matarys no earlier than 184 AC.

Valarr, by the time of his death in 209 AC, had been married, and already had had two sons, both still born. As there is no mention of the boys having been twins, it is assumed that they weren´t twins, but siblings born at least a year apart. That would mean that Valarr had been at least 13 at the birth of his first, and at least 14 at the birth of his second child. As this second child could have been born at late as in 210 AC, Valarr won´t have been born any later than 196 AC. For Matarys, no limit can be stated.

Valarr took place in the Tourney at Ashford in 209 AC, and thus, would have been at least 16 years old, as he would have to have been knighted already. As 16 seems to be the normal limit of age to be knighted (there are the obvious exceptions like Daemon Blackfyre, Jaime Lannister and Loras Tyrell), and Valarr is known to not be extraordinary in jousting, he won’t have been any younger than this (but probably older by a few years). This would mean that Valarr was born no later than 193 AC.

For Matarys, no limit can be stated.

While Baelor died during the Tourney at Ashford in 209 AC, Valarr and Matarys, as well as their grandfather Daeron II, died a short while later, also in 209 AC, during the Great Spring Sickness.

Aerys had no children, but Rhaegel did: Aelor and Aelora (twins), and Daenora. As Rhaegel would have been at least 13 years old when Aelor and Aelora were born, the twins were born no earlier than 186 AC. As they were already married when Aelor died in 217 AC, they won’t have been born any later than 203 AC. With Rhaegel’s first possible year of birth being 173 AC, the twins would have been born in 186 AC the earliest.

Daenora was born no later than 216 AC, a year after Rhaegel’s death. As Daenora’s first born child was born in 232 AC, her birth might have occurred within a timeframe of only a few years before Rhaegel’s death. The minimum of 187 AC can be stated, but it would stand to reason that Daenora was born much later than that (as that would have made her 45 years old at the birth of her child).

Rhaegel died in 215 AC, and Aelor died 2 years later, in 217 AC. Aelora’s date of death is unknown, and no hints of when her suicide occurred is given. Daenora lived at least until 232 AC, though it is unknown when exactly she died.

Maekar, the last of the brothers, had six children. As stated, Daeron, the eldest, was born in either 190 AC or 191 AC. Aemon, the third born, was born in 198 AC (confirmed in app). Aerion, the second born, would thus have been born at least a year after Daeron, giving 191 AC as the earliest possibility, and at least a year before Aemon, giving the maximum of 197 AC. Aerion was thus born in or between 191 AC and 197 AC. Aegon has now been confirmed to have been born in 200 AC.

Daella was younger than Aemon, born in 198 AC, yet older than Aegon, born in 200 AC, placing her birth in 199 AC.

Rhae was younger than Aegon. As their mother had been dead by 209 AC, Rhae can be said to have been born in or between 201 AC and 209 AC, although it would seem Rhae was born closer to 200 AC, as she couldn’t have put a love poison in the drink of her brother Aegon, since Aegon hadn’t been with Rhae since 209 AC at least.

For who did they name their children?

Baelor Breakspear seems to have been named for Baelor I, the king for who Daeron II, Baelor’s father, had a lot of respect. While the name Valarr does not have a clear origin, Matarys seems to have been named after a Valyrian city.

Aerys could have had a lot of origins, but most likely, just as Rhaegel and Maekar, he was just given a Valyrian name, inspired by named of Targaryens of old.

Rhaegel’s children do seem to have a naming pattern. Whilst all three of his children have the or(a) in their name, I propose the possibility that Aelor and Aelora were named for a combination of Rhaegel’s elder brothers Baelor and Aerys. Daenora could easily have been a combination of Daenerys and Baelor, in a female form.

From the Unlikely to the “Wise”

Aegon V got married in 220 AC, to Betha Blackwood (b. 201 AC). They had five children: Duncan, Jaehaerys, Shaera, Daeron and Rhaelle. Jaehaerys and Shaera got married in 240 AC, when he was 15 and she 14, placing their births (thanks to the type of source) in 225 AC and 226 AC respectively. The same rules apply to Daeron (9 in 237 AC, 18 in 246 AC), placing his birth in 228 AC. Duncan was the eldest of them all, and thus would have been born in or between 220 AC (the year of marriage of Aegon V and Betha) and 224 AC (one year at least before Jaehaerys). Rhaella was the youngest of the five, and was married in 245 AC, and birthed a child in 246 AC. That means that by 246 AC, Rhaelle would have been at least 13 years old, placing her birth in 233 AC the latest. As she would have been born at least one year after Daeron, she was born in or between 229 AC and 233 AC.

No children of Duncan and his wife are known, and Daeron died childless. Rhaelle birthed one known child (Steffon Baratheon) in 246 AC. Jaehaerys and Shaera would have two children: Aerys and Rhaella.

As Aerys had turned 18 in 262 AC, he was born in 244 AC. Rhaella, younger than her brother, would have been born in 245 AC the earliest. Her eldest son, with her brother Aerys, was Prince Rhaegar, born in 259 AC. Rhaella would have been at least 13 years old during Rhaegar’s birth, showing that her last possible year of birth was 246 AC, leaving only two possible years of birth for Rhaella.

Aerys and Rhaella would have lots of more pregnancies, though a slightly lesser number of children. In total:

  • 259 AC: Prince Rhaegar born
  • 263 AC: miscarriage
  • 264 AC: miscarriage
  • 267 AC: Princess Shaena, stillborn
  • 269 AC: Prince Daeron, died in either 269 AC or 270 AC (lived only half a year).
  • 270 AC: stillbirth
  • 271 AC: miscarriage
  • 272 AC: Prince Aegon, born two months premature, died in 273 AC
  • 274 AC: Prince Jaehaerys, died later that year
  • 276 AC: Prince Viserys
  • 284 AC: Princess Daenerys

Out of all of the children of Rhaella and Aerys, only Rhaegar and Daenerys would have children of their own. Rhaegar had a daughter, Rhaenys, born in one of the last three months of 280 AC, and a son, Aegon, born in either late 281 AC or the first few weeks of 282 AC. Rhaenys died in 283 AC, during the Sack of King’s Landing, and Aegon supposedly died during the Sack as well, though it is possible he survived. Rhaegar had died a few weeks earlier. Aerys died during the Sack as well, and Rhaella died nine months later, at Dragonstone, whilst birthing Daenerys in 284 AC.

Daenerys had a son, Rhaego, born either late 298 AC, or early 299 AC. Rhaego was stillborn.

For who did they name their children?

Aegon V

Prince Duncan seems to have been clearly named for Aegon V’s childhood friend, Ser Duncan the Tall.

Prince Jaehaerys seems to have been given a more traditional Targaryen name, and Princess Shaera possibly as well.

Prince Daeron, on the other hand, could easily have been named for Aegon V’s brother Daeron (making me wonder whether Prince Daeron the Drunken had died somewhere between 226 AC and 228 AC..)

Princess Rhaelle could easily have been named for Princess Rhae, Princess Rhaella for both Rhae and Rhaelle (or a combination of Rhae and Daella).

Aerys seems to have been given a rather traditional Valyrian/Targaryen name, though, depending on who named him, King Aerys I might have been kept in mind when naming this Prince.

Aerys and Rhaella

While Rhaegar doesn’t seem to have been clearly named after anyone,* the next few children who were named definitely are.

Aerys and Rhaella seem to have named their next few children after those family members who had died, in the order in which they died.

è Shaena, clearly alike Shaera, suggesting that Dowager Queen Shaera might have still been alive at this point, as the child was named like her, not exactly like her.

è Daeron, after Prince Daeron, who had died in 251 AC

è Aegon, after King Aegon V, who had died in 259 AC

è Jaehaerys, after King Jaehaerys II, who had died in 262 AC

Viserys and Daenerys seem to have been given traditional Targaryen/Valyrian names.

Rhaenys and Aegon were named for Queen Rhaenys and King Aegon I.

Rhaego, has been stated, was named for Prince Rhaegar.

*A suggestion up-thread was made, that Rhaegar might be a combination of Rhaella and Maekar.

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Yes, I've seen that family tree before. It was especially useful when I tried to figure out when Aegon the Unworthy, Queen Naerys, Aemon the Dragonknight and Daeron the Good were born, because that's one difficult generation! I'll waste no more words on trying to tell you that, I'll simply post the second part of my theory, which is coincidentally about them as well!



Edit: Added the theory part to the OP, to make everything easier to find.


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Wow, impressive work Rhaenys! Thanks for the tip ;) But I guess you made a typo on Rhaella's birth date it says 281 when it should be 241, right?


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Wow, impressive work Rhaenys! Thanks for the tip ;) But I guess you made a typo on Rhaella's birth date it says 281 when it should be 241, right?

Omg, yes, that's a typo! Thank's for pointing that one out!

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So, finally updated with the information from The Princess and the Queen. Long overdue, but I finally found the time to do it! And it has a bonus: it's more accurate now! :D


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I cant believe more people haven't commented on this, it's amazing.



Great job :bowdown:

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I realize we know nothing about Rhaelle Targaryen (Steffon's mother), but if I had to conjure a guess, I'd say that she was dead or out of the picture sometime during Robert and Stannis' early childhood, and almost surely dead by the time Steffon died. Reason being she's never mentioned by any of the Baratheon brothers, which might indicate they didn't know her well or at all.


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Wow, great. I've been thinking about earliest and latest possible birth dates for individual characters but never thought about making a list of it.


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I realize we know nothing about Rhaelle Targaryen (Steffon's mother), but if I had to conjure a guess, I'd say that she was dead or out of the picture sometime during Robert and Stannis' early childhood, and almost surely dead by the time Steffon died. Reason being she's never mentioned by any of the Baratheon brothers, which might indicate they didn't know her well or at all.

You might be right there. Stannis for example does once speak of his grandfathers brother, IIRC, but not about his own grandmother. She might not have lived that long after Stannis and Robert were born.

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And if R+L=J is confirmed, then Jon would have been born in 283 AL, at around the time of the Sack, and brought to Winterfell shortly afterwards.

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And if R+L=J is confirmed, then Jon would have been born in 283 AL, at around the time of the Sack, and brought to Winterfell shortly afterwards.

Jon would have been born in 283 AC around the time of the Sack, or the month thereafter. Though I prefer not to put him in the list until the theory is confirmed. There could be further things revealed, like an official name and all such.

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I notice that it says that prince Duncan's year of death is unknown but didn't he died with his father in Summerhall?


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