Roose knew Arya was highborn/maybe true identity?

[Buckthorn]

The largest error being made here is probably "the Stark look". Since photographs are kinda rare in Westeros, and I don't think the entire North has a bunch of paintings hanging around their houses and castles, the Stark Look isn't something everyone is familiar with. Now, I know you're going to say Roose has been around Ned and whoever else, because he's their bannerman. That's true, but if I we're to show you prince william and prince charles in the middle of a war. And you've only seen prince Charles now and then, you're not going to recognize William instantly as being his son, especially when he's 10.

Also, regarding this "Stark Look", starks are first men, so it's reasonable to assume the entire North looks somewhat alike. Then, there's the point that, being the Powerhouse for 8.000 years orm so there's gonna be a lot of Stark blood in the North. Most noble houses have Stark blood, and there are bound to have been lots and lots of bastards all over the place. And don't bring up any crap about, they're all gonna be named Snow. Some whore in a brothel with a Stark bastard won't name her son Snow.

Now then, Roose finds a little girl who speaks proper, just as it is possible in todays age to speak proper while being born in some ghetto in NYC, it's going to be possible to speak proper in Westeros while being a commoner. Perhaps she grew up in a castle and by speaking with the nobles she picked up on that way of speaking.

Which is still besides the point. The entire North is waging war to get Sansa and Arya back. So if anyone who would or could recognize any of them and had the chance to capture them. They would, just like the BwB took her along and the Hound took her along. A man like Roose would've had quite a few options if he had her, and so would Tywin or Walder Frey. If you expect a goose to lay golden eggs, you're going to keep it around, not take a chance with losing her.

YAWN...

[HMR]

He obviously did not know anything.

[Mourneblade]

He leaves her behind because she is a Wolf sympathizer who has shown herself to be clever and daring and has no use for that kind of servant at the Twins.

If he knew it was Arya and thought she might be trouble, he brings her with him and reunites her with Robb then she dies with the rest.

That last bit is for those who think Roose would prefer the F Arya. Which is not out of the realm of possibilities. Him knowing her and leaving het to Vargo is completely out of the question. What if Vargo finds out who she is, then the F Arya plan dies before it's born.

Roose does not like loose ends.

[Faceless Man Friday]

Roose does not like loose ends.

Roose is not a man to be undone.

[Reek Da Villain]

Maybe Roose should have asked Arya if she likes horses.

[The Mother of The Others]

I think the whole point of him pointing it out was to show us he did know Arya wasn't the person she presented herself as.

(He was trying to help her improve her deception).

Because he would have normally been pleased to see a servant caring enough to honor him with better speech habits, and would not have commented on it but would have taken it as a compliment, as an ego-confirming thing. ~ "Yes, why I am worth her efforts to be cultured in my presence."

Doesn't mean he necessarily made the connection that she was Arya Stark.

I guess the counterpoint to all this is maybe he took mild offense to her elevating her diction above her station as a servant. Like, if he allowed the servants to start raising their speech, soon they'll forget their place and start wanting to actually join the more cultured society. Can't have that. So pointing out Arya's my lord's could have just been a verbal slapdown over her verbiage, the equivalent of "know your role."

[Mourneblade]

I think the whole point of him pointing it out was to show us he did know Arya wasn't the person she presented herself as.

(He was trying to help her improve her deception).

Because he would have normally been pleased to see a servant caring enough to honor him with better speech habits, and would not have commented on it but would have taken it as a compliment, as an ego-confirming thing. ~ "Yes, why I am worth her efforts to be cultured in my presence."

Doesn't mean he necessarily made the connection that she was Arya Stark.

I guess the counterpoint to all this is maybe he took mild offense to her elevating her diction above her station as a servant. Like, if he allowed the servants to start raising their speech, soon they'll forget their place and start wanting to actually join the more cultured society. Can't have that. So pointing out Arya's my lord's could have just been a verbal slapdown over her verbiage, the equivalent of "know your role."

This is a very good interpretation.

[Lost Melnibonean]

I think the whole point of him pointing it out was to show us he did know Arya wasn't the person she presented herself as.

(He was trying to help her improve her deception).

Because he would have normally been pleased to see a servant caring enough to honor him with better speech habits, and would not have commented on it but would have taken it as a compliment, as an ego-confirming thing. ~ "Yes, why I am worth her efforts to be cultured in my presence."

Doesn't mean he necessarily made the connection that she was Arya Stark.

I guess the counterpoint to all this is maybe he took mild offense to her elevating her diction above her station as a servant. Like, if he allowed the servants to start raising their speech, soon they'll forget their place and start wanting to actually join the more cultured society. Can't have that. So pointing out Arya's my lord's could have just been a verbal slapdown over her verbiage, the equivalent of "know your role."

I think he chastised her for omitting the honorific. It was Theon to whom Roose explained the difference between m'lord and my lord, was it not? I believe Tywin did this with Arya in that glorified fan fiction on HBO, no?

[Mourneblade]

I think he chastised her for omitting the honorific. It was Theon to whom Roose explained the difference between m'lord and my lord, was it not? I believe Tywin did this with Arya in that glorified fan fiction on HBO, no?

I think the TV show wanted to avoid the question the OP asks and show off Charles Dance's acting ability.

The interactions between Tywin and Arya is excellent TV.

[Bright Blue Eyes]

I think the TV show wanted to avoid the question the OP asks and show off Charles Dance's acting ability.

The interactions between Tywin and Arya is excellent TV.

...just, you know, butchering the character of Tywin Lannister.

[Mummers Dragon]

I think the OP makes a valid point, but it may turn out to be a continuity error on the authors part. When he wrote the Bolton/Theon portion, he may not have remembered the dialogue w/ Arya and how that might be inconsistent with his immediate recognition of how Theon verbalized the term, assuming that GRRM did indeed intend that Bolton was ignorant of Nan's identity. May be a simple oversight by the author, or maybe something else...

[Mourneblade]

...just, you know, butchering the character of Tywin Lannister.

I did not think it butchered him at all. Where does that come from?

[ladyinblack]

If he did recognise her what could he have done about it? At the time he meets her the castle is still full of Stark loyalists who would be quick to escort Arya back to Riverrun so he can't exactly imprison her without someone asking questions. If anything Arya revealing herself to the northmen would have been a problem for Roose as it gives Robb a living heir. Now if she had revealed herself after Duskendale it would have been a different story as there were few loyalists left so he could have taken her with him to the twins and made her a hostage once the RW goes down but after the Sack of Winterfell and the RW a fake Arya is just as useful as the real one.

Here Here. Good post

[Thucydides]

I did not think it butchered him at all. Where does that come from?

Agreed. I liked the Tywin/Arya at Harrenhal embellishment on the TV show, even it it confuses people about who corrected whom about using "m'lord" vs "my lord"

[Bright Blue Eyes]

I did not think it butchered him at all. Where does that come from?

Agreed. I liked the Tywin/Arya at Harrenhal embellishment on the TV show, even it it confuses people about who corrected whom about using "m'lord" vs "my lord"

Because book! Tywin would never yield an advantage because of somethyíng like mercy or sympathy. But in the show, he knowingly let a prime hostage slip through his fingers. At the very least, Nan the cupbearer would have been a relative of Lady Dustin.

[Lost Melnibonean]

This is one of the toughest questions to answer in my mind and I keep going back and forth with my answer: Did Roose recognize Arya at Harrenhal?

As of my latest reading of Clash i'm leaning toward yes. We know from the whole my lord/m'lord thing with Theon that he knew Arya was highborn but he never sought to find out which house she belonged to. So he wanted her identity to be concealed from all parties at Harrenhal. And the only missing little highborn girl we know of is Arya and Roose would have at least suspected that she was missing. But why in the world would he give such a precious asset to the goat? I don't think he meant to even though he told her that she would be left at Harrenhal.

Is there even a scintilla of evidence that Roose intended to leave "Nan" behind but secretly take the real Arya with him? Or that he had a plan to recover the real Arya from Harrenhal after the Red Wedding?

[Ygritte]

I agree and believe that this is the most that can be said as to Roose recognizing Arya. The true revelation is this post, however, is the observation of Arya providing drink to others. She does do that a lot. I wonder how that is going to play out. Any ideas?

Valkyrie reference is my first instinct.

[The Broke Howard Hughes]

This shows Roose isn't the brilliant man he's thought to be. He couldn't have possibly known who Arya was. If he did he would have killed her given what he was planning. The world assumed Arya was dead but instead she was pretending to be a servant. Had he known who she was he'd have been a fool to let her live. He had the perfect opportunity to get rid of her, or do whatever he wanted with her because nobody knew who she was. And if he did assume she was high born pretending to be low born why wouldn't he put a little effort into figuring out who she really was. Little effort, great potential upside. Arrogance kept him from being thorough but it'll be great to see how he responds when they come face to face again.

[Lost Melnibonean]

Another reason Roose must have known she was highborn was thta Arya took his map. The smith's apprentice and baker's boy she fled with would not have been expected to read a map.

[The Bedding]

"I have no further need for a cup bearer but Lady Dustin may have need of a scullery maid" would be the response I would expect if Roose had any idea who Arya was. If she were a chip he wanted to tuck away for later, Harrenhal was not the place to keep her and I still don't think he would leave it up to chance for her to die at the Goat's hands. His telling her she'll remain was the final clue to me that he had no idea who she was.

Yes, and wouldn't he be concerned with the chance that she makes a back against the wall survival move and reveal herself to someone else that figures she's more valuable alive?