Eddard Slark Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Right before the red wedding, circa around the time that Robb had Lord Karstark executed, do you think that Tywin would have accepted a surrender and or peace negotiations with Robb? At this point you can assume that all of the plans for the RW are firmly in place, and that the preparations have already been made. Would Tywin have accepted the surrender from Robb, or would he have gone all Rains of Castamere on his ass anyway just to prove a point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mourneblade Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Nope, just to prove a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Broke Howard Hughes Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 If the RW plans were already in place he wouldn't have accepted a surrender (Not that Robb would have surrendered anyway) from Robb. Tywin would say he would have accepted but the truth is much more obvious. His pride was stung. Robb made him look weak and Tywin would have went ahead with the RW anyway to nurse his wounded pride, but he'd have hidden the fact that Robb wanted a peaceful resolution from everyone. Either that or he would have let the Freys and the Boltons do his dirty work and if anybody found out about the peace offer he'd have dropped the hammer on both families in an attempt to keep his hands clean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edd Tollett's One Vote Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 If the RW plans were already in place he wouldn't have accepted a surrender (Not that Robb would have surrendered anyway) from Robb. Tywin would say he would have accepted but the truth is much more obvious. His pride was stung. Robb made him look weak and Tywin would have went ahead with the RW anyway to nurse his wounded pride, but he'd have hidden the fact that Robb wanted a peaceful resolution from everyone. Either that or he would have let the Freys and the Boltons do his dirty work and if anybody found out about the peace offer he'd have dropped the hammer on both families in an attempt to keep his hands clean. :agree: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bringer of Rain Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Long story short; Tywin is a cunt. So no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
complexphoenix Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 If Tywin believed or suspected that Robb had found out about the Red Wedding plot, he might have accepted his surrender rather than try to finish him in formal battle (even with very inferior numbers Robb could do a lot of damage); but if he felt reasonably sure that Robb didn't know, he probably would have refused and sent Robb walking into his trap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Kevan Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Tywin is clever enough to know how the Red Wedding is not necessary and could be bad for the stability of the kingdom if Robb surrender. As he say, if your ennemy stand against you, fight him. If he bend the knee, help him to rise up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubarey Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Question is also exactly whe. Does Tywin still believe Jamie to be in Robb's hands,? If he thinks Jaime is still a prisoner then yes. Moreover, if Robb surrenders Tywin does not need to give the Freys or Bolton's anything. Tywin is a schemer but he does not kill for the hell of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gneisenau Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Why wouldn't he ? Tywin wants to create a new Lannister dynasty. Antagonizing the North would not help in long term, so yes if he could Tywin would have peace talks. I'm sure if Tywin wouod redo the sack of King's landing he would not kill Elia too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Scorpion Knight Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Nope, just to prove a point. I agree Question is also exactly whe. Does Tywin still believe Jamie to be in Robb's hands,? If he thinks Jaime is still a prisoner then yes. Moreover, if Robb surrenders Tywin does not need to give the Freys or Bolton's anything. Tywin is a schemer but he does not kill for the hell of it. he basicly counts captured the same as dead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boarsbane Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I think he would, but Robb would probably be exiled or sent to the Wall, at the least stripped of his titles and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gneisenau Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I think he would, but Robb would probably be exiled or sent to the Wall, at the least stripped of his titles and such.Maybe not, I could see Tywin leving a penalty in dragons and maybe a hostage, but Robb could still be Lord of the North. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boarsbane Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Maybe not, I could see Tywin leving a penalty in dragons and maybe a hostage, but Robb could still be Lord of the North. Tywin already has the only Stark hostage Robb could give him, leaving Robb in charge of the North would be too much a risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mb2518 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Yes, I think he would have. He tells Joffrey that when your enemies bend, you have to help them back to their feet. A hostage would probably be kept in K.L. The real point of the Red Wedding was to end the war faster and with far fewer Lannister casualties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sullen Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 After the planning for the Red Wedding? I don't think so. Before, sure. He knows that sometimes you have to let your enemy surrender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roddy the Ruin Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Tywin is a monster but he isn't so stupid as to go through with an action that could irreparably stain his family's name unless it was absolutely necessary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castel Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 If the RW plans were already in place he wouldn't have accepted a surrender (Not that Robb would have surrendered anyway) from Robb. Tywin would say he would have accepted but the truth is much more obvious. His pride was stung. Robb made him look weak and Tywin would have went ahead with the RW anyway to nurse his wounded pride, but he'd have hidden the fact that Robb wanted a peaceful resolution from everyone. Either that or he would have let the Freys and the Boltons do his dirty work and if anybody found out about the peace offer he'd have dropped the hammer on both families in an attempt to keep his hands clean. IT has nothing to do with wounded pride. It's just realpolitik. The North is far too defensible to leave in the hands of a rebellious lord with a still-large army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyvasse Khal Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Tywin wants to be able to control all seven kingdoms. While accepting peace talks would mean he wouldn't have to deal with any further trouble from Robb, The North and its people would still be well and truly in Robb's hands. I think the Red Wedding would have happened regardless once it had been planned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shearstone Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Whilst Tywin does mention helping those who bend the knee back up I don't think this would apply to Robb. Would he let Robb go back to the North to kick out the Ironborn? Probably not as once Robb is back North with a large part of his initial army he is once again dangerous and he might decide to rebel again like Balon or support Stannis or another claimant for the Iron Throne down the line. He wouldn't take that risk not when the RW has been set up. The only way I can see it working is if Robb becomes a hostage at KIngs Landing and Sansa and Tyrion take over the lordship of the north. Robb would be taken away from his wife preventing him from having an heir meaning Sansa and Tyrion's child would get the north anyway. He might see that as easier than the RW, Bolton plan but I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GallowsKnight Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Only if Robb physically surrendered himself and took the black. Tywin wants the North through Tyrion. Likewise I think Edmure and Brynden Tully would have to do the same. Catelyn Tully would have to marry a Lannister or Lannister lackey (Jaime, whose children would inherit Riverrun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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