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How would you rate episode 402?

How would you rate episode 402?  

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  1. 1. What's your rating from 1-10, with 10 being the highest/best

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509 votes in, 8.34 average. Normalized with top/bottom 5% removed, 8.48.

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Good but not excellent. 8 of 10.

When joff dies only cersei n jamie run for help. I mean wtf others was doing for those 30 sec. Ur king is dying n tywin n margery watching from a far.

Wat can kill u so fast ?? u might choke due to suffocation n problem in breathing.but How one can die bleeding through eyes so fast ???

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9/10.



Loved nearly everything about this episode, from the dialogue, to the interactions, to the big events. Came through on everything I expected from the books and the invented show stuff was great. Would have given it a 10, but that would put it on par with an episode like Cripples, Bastards, and Broken Things, and that's a pretty difficult standard to meet.



It didn't take long for this season to get redeemed, in my eyes.


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I gave the episode a 9/10.



Individually I really enjoyed all of the locations visited in the episode. The scene between Shireen and Melisandre was superbly executed. It was great to see Selyse again. The material with the Bolton's was equally fantastic.



I wonder how much consideration is given to where the stories are placed. Surely the scenes set at the Dreadfort, Dragonstone and Beyond the Wall would have made for a better fit with the first episode?



I was very impressed with the direction in the episode. The shots panning around the characters at the wedding feast's top table were beautiful.


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I was disappointed in it.



I thought the wedding banquet would be grander. The outdoor setting looked like a child's birthday party. The dwarf play was not filmed well.



I found some of the changes they have done pretty odd. Jaime and Brienne being there doesn't seem to work. And I am not against show changes.

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I admit I'm surprised at how well this episode was received here.



It felt awkward, uneven, poorly paced and the wedding itself was far short of the extravagance that was shoved down our throats for how many episodes?



First, everything's going smoothly through the first few scenes and then - bam! - Margaery is being escorted to Joffrey's side. The quickest nuptials in history and then a rather underwhelming (in terms of spectacle) outdoor reception.



The Tyrion/Shae scene was awkward. Varys brief appearance(s) even more so (what was the look on his face during the reception?). A bunch of confrontations added the drama (Cersei/Brienne and Jamie/Loras being notable but not anything special) but not much else.



Unfortunately I have a feeling that the rest of this season will be something like this: Plenty of so-so, marginally relevant scenes highlighted with a few epic ones to keep up the interest. It's still early yes, but I predicted this season and next would likely be the low points of the series, so maybe a tad biased but I was genuinely hoping and expecting more.


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Wat can kill u so fast ?? u might choke due to suffocation n problem in breathing.but How one can die bleeding through eyes so fast ???

If you think back to Season 2, Maester Cressen died quickly - and bleeding from the nose - when he drank the poison intended for Melisandre. That too was dropped into wine.

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Really, really average. First time in a while where I've watched a GoT episode and come away disapointed. The RW was OTT but very well done, the PW was just lame until the very end. Too much Shae, God she's annoying, and the wedding party looked liked something I'd put on for my little one's 5th birthday in the backyard. Where was the enormous celebration that would have cost the equivalent of millions? Just a couple dozen dudes in fancy dress sitting around. The scene with Ramsay chasing down the girl was also crap. All round I gave it a 5...and that's being generous.


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I give the episode an 8 because like another commenter, I feel like they should have just kept the whole episode in Kings Landing and to the wedding. At some points it felt really rushed, like they were running out of their 60 minutes but there was some great bits. Joffrey's death was obviously brilliantly done, kudos to Jack Gleeson. I liked the Joffrey/Tyrion scenes, it was so uncomfortable watching him get bullied and humiliated that I was on the verge of watching through my fingers. And I liked the way Oberyn Martell shut down the Lannisters.


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I think they have gone back and tried to get Stannis storyline back on track, when he should disappear til the last couple ep.



I think the big story played out well, and got most of the major points across, but they could have done this ep, all about before during and after the wedding, and it could have been a better one.



Other things took away from the main storyline.


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I think they have gone back and tried to get Stannis storyline back on track, when he should disappear til the last couple ep.

I think the big story played out well, and got most of the major points across, but they could have done this ep, all about before during and after the wedding, and it could have been a better one.

Other things took away from the main storyline.

Yeah they 'got him back on track' by having him burn his brother in law for being an infidel? Wtf are they doing to a great character? Hopefully they just leave him the fuck alone and have his arrival at the Wall be a massive surprise. The Onion Knight already set up the move north, there is no need for further interludes except of course that they have to pay contracted actors :)

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I was disappointed in it.

I thought the wedding banquet would be grander. The outdoor setting looked like a child's birthday party. The dwarf play was not filmed well.

I found some of the changes they have done pretty odd. Jaime and Brienne being there doesn't seem to work. And I am not against show changes.

8/10 for me.

I agree - I don't really understand what was gained by having Jamie and Brienne arrive at KL so early? (Other than simplifying NCW's makeup and look.) And I'm not against show changes, either. :)

Seems like it would have worked just as nicely if they had arrived in 4x03.

Maybe the next episode will make it clearer??

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I like this episode a good deal better than the first. The dialogue and pacing felt better, somehow. Some

highlights:

Oberyn out-lannistering the Lannisters with the sarcasm not really bothering to conceal itself under the

mock civility. And none of them had a comeback.

The Boltons. Roose may start giving Tywin a run for his money.

Tyrion's confrontations with Joffrey and Shae. Cersei undermining Margaery.

Head-scratchers: was the party really the best place for Tyrion to have a tête-à-tête with Bronn about the

woman he is (I presume) trying to protect?

So: did Joffrey not hire the assassin to kill Bran in the show?

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Anyone upset with Joff's death doesn't get it. It was supposed to be very anticlimactic. As much as I would have liked to see him roll down the side of a mountain and hit every stone and branch along the way (i.e. Homer Simpson style), only for him to fall into a moat of feces and slowly die while wailing to his mother without success, this was better. 10! Great acting all around. That side shot of Joff laughing with the bent finger and spittle, perfect depiction of excess. Jack Gleason should of been The Wolf of Wallstreet!


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I'm really baffled by the fact that this episode seems to have generated such a luke-warm reaction on this site. Many of the popular criticisms I'm reading seem to be either utterly unfounded, especially when one takes the time to re-watch the episode with them in mind, or are the result of extreme and biased book purism. I found this to be easily one of the best episodes the show has done to date, and not just because we finally got to see Joffrey choke and die. As of now, I consider it to be 7th on my scale of best-to-worst GOT episodes, one spot ahead of 'The Wolf and the Lion' and one behind 'Kissed by Fire.'



http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/game-thrones-newbies-lion-and-rose-203386



This review pretty much sums up what I loved about the Royal Wedding. The slowly escalating tension, the way the murder-mystery aspect was played up by Martin's writing and Graves' superb direction, and the unsettling sense in that final scene – so perfectly captured by the cinematography, music, and acting – that the balance of power in the show had just been drastically altered beyond any hope of repair. The interactions between the various political figures of KL were all handled excellently as well, from Loras' parting retort to Jaime: "And neither will you" to Olenna sneakily (but noticeably) removing a stone from Sansa's necklace: "To kill a man at a wedding…horrid" to Oberyn's open and uncaring hostility towards Tywin and Cersei: "In other places the rape and murder of women and children is considered distasteful."



Considering the explosive nature of the second half of the episode, all the supporting arcs really needed to do was avoid major problems and carry the characters/story along in an acceptable way, but IMO most of them went well beyond that. I think I probably could have done without the opening hunt sequence, but it did provide us with an interesting parallel between the two primary psychopaths of the show (I believe this is discussed more thoroughly in the article linked above), and the later scene at the Dreadfort was quite brilliant. I'm interested – and a little apprehensive – to see where Locke's hunt for the Stark boys is going (Art Parkinson and Natalia Tena didn't film anything for this season, if I'm remembering correctly) but I'm also definitely looking forward to seeing Ramsay and Reek tackle the Siege of Moat Cailin.



The scenes on Dragonstone were also handled quite well. I particularly liked Stannis' line "I hate a good many things, but I suffer them all the same." I wasn't the only one in my viewing party who was of the opinion that he was talking about the burnings on the beach, as well as his dislike for the taste of fish. Melisandre's talk with Shireen was one of the highlights of the episode, and the transition from her last line about hell to Bran's POV Direwolf experience was sufficiently eerie and intriguing. Bran's visions were also good, although honestly I was expecting that scene to be a bigger deal than it was portrayed as: on the whole, it seemed a little rushed, and I don't think they illustrated clearly enough why Bran suddenly felt the need to go touch a random tree. My Unsullied friends were mostly just confused by the time the camera cut to King's Landing. I do like that they're playing up the dangers of warging for too long, though: I'm hoping we'll get to see more of that before Bloodraven's inevitable appearance.



Aside from all that, the pre-wedding KL scenes were mostly fine, if not particularly mind-blowing. Jaime/Bronn was predictably good, and Joffrey's petulant cruelty during the breakfast sequence was spot-on. The Shae scene was my biggest issue with the episode when I first watched it, but upon reconsideration I can't really pinpoint my problem: I suppose it felt a little rushed for what must seem, to the viewing Unsullied, like the farewell of a major character and an entire subplot, but when you really think about it it was sufficiently built up and will (hopefully) tie in well with the rest of her material for this season.



So, overall, a fantastic episode, a lot better than the premiere (and that's saying something). While it wasn't quite momentous enough to earn an eight from me, I rate according to a very harsh scale compared to other posters here, and as such nearly every episode falls somewhere around the five-six-seven mark ('Blackwater' and 'The Rains of Castamere' being the only exceptions, I believe).



7/10



Also: my friend returns as one of the Tyrell cousins! She's the one Cersei rescues from Grand Maester Pycelle during the wedding.


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545 votes in, average of 8.33, median of 9, normalized average of 8.48.

By way of comparison: Episode 1, 626 votes, 8.16 average. 8 median, 8.28 normalized average.

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