Guard of the Rainking Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I've just watched this episode. I'm upset because I think the actor playing Stannis is very good, and he could be an amazing character if they just wrote him better.I'm not sure why they left out such powerful passages that I think would translate incredibly well to the screen. Like Stannis' story of the red hawk, or how he became an atheist, or his recollection of when he was so impressed by the king only to learn later that it was Tywin and not Aerys. Instead we get Oberyn orgies... like what?I don't believe that the audience is so naive that they value their daily allowance of HBO soft-core porn above more interesting and conflicted characters. The only good thing they have going for them is that TV!Stannis actually seems to have a relationship with his daughter and Shireen is actually a character and not just ornamentation (and a good character I think too).Anyways this has become somewhat of a rant, but I think it bears repeating you have a good actor and excellent material for adaptation - make something with it.It would be so awesome if someone went to GoT comic con panel and gave D&D a Stannis rant. Could you? Pretty please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belisarius09 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Just browsing imgur and look what I found; http://imgur.com/gallery/fYKOhXb Just a heads up to anyone that has said D&D haven't messed up Stannis' character. yup, they have effectively fucked up his character so much, that this is the public perception of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard of the Rainking Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I think he will tell the IB the attack to King's Landing will happen... then the audience will be surprised when he will show up in the wall... But why would he tell them that and go to the Wall instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FNF Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I think Shireen having such a large role this season bodes well for her character in future books. *insert Queen Shireen speculation.* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunglass Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 It would be even better, if the IB wanted him to attack King's Landing, and that's the reason why he rejects. Best way to introduce this line from Davos "A king protects his people or he is no king at all" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphodbrx Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 In the S3 finale it was looking as if they already made the plan to go to the wall. S4E2 they burned the fellas for the right wind. S4E3 - still in Dragonstone, waiting around with no idea what to do. You're mixing books and show. Show-Stannis burns 'em for being infidels. There is nothing about wind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Tetrarch42 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 It would be so awesome if someone went to GoT comic con panel and gave D&D a Stannis rant. Could you? Pretty please.Haha, I'll see what I can do. yup, they have effectively fucked up his character so much, that this is the public perception of him. And Stannis' use of the word "infidel" certainly didn't help any. Since when was that even a word in GRRM's world? As if the "Stannis is a stand-in for religious zealotry" theme wasn't transparent and hamfisted enough. The funny (and depressing) thing is that not only have they ruined Stannis' character as compared to the books but he isn't even an interesting extremist.Edit: I mean something really isn't right when a character who is a confessed atheist in the source material becomes the second most extraordinary religious fanatic in the TV show. It's the equivalent of replacing Jon's character with Oberyn's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coatzin Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 But why would he tell them that and go to the Wall instead? Because he needs men to show up at Kings Landing or The Wall... and as is only proper to show Stannis he will do anything Melisandre tells him to do, burn Gendry, kill Renly, all the infidel bullshit, break his word... and she already said 'North'... they will mess up the IB showing up north... but they already made a mess doing similar things in Stannis timeline... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard of the Rainking Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Because he needs men to show up at Kings Landing or The Wall... and as is only proper to show Stannis he will do anything Melisandre tells him to do, burn Gendry, kill Renly, all the infidel bullshit, break his word... and she already said 'North'... they will mess up the IB showing up north... but they already made a mess doing similar things in Stannis timeline... Mayhaps. However it seems like the Wall troops are Baratheon men from the trailers we've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Actually, someone should go to ComicCon and start shouting "Stannis! Stannis!" during the GoT Panel. They'd have it coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankbuster Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Only to have security beat them Black 'n Blue and then throw them out. Other than that I agree 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorn Gottes Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I took that line more like "you're as fucked as I am if we lose this". me too. It didn't sound like a threat in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konradsmith Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 ^This. Many times over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelastactionhero Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 It has become our stannis appreciation thread. Like a Mannis tribunal judgeing D&D after each episode. I was just joking. We're all in this together afterall. I'm glad I have some people who share in my disappointment for how they've handled the character these last two seasons. Still, this last episode gives him some slight hope that we're going to get some semblance of the Stannis we love in the books when he heads up North. If he gets the troops and gold from the Iron Bank, and chooses to save the Night's Watch because its the right thing to do, then at least we'll have a compelling redemption arc that'll be entertaining. I'm not banking on anything, because I have a feeling we're going to get screwed by D&D again, but it's a nice thought all the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Reckoner Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I took that line as "do your job or you're fired." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanx5 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Just watched the episode, and must say I liked this Stannis scene a lot more than last week's episode which kinda pissed me off, with the whole burning infidels, not only did they make Stannis a religious fanatic but a hypocrite all in one scene, why doesnt he burn Davos then? Oh wait Mel said he musnt. So at least this episode we got a better Stannis. At least Stannis bought some humor this time "not enough men between them to raid a pantry", thats a first for D&D. Still hope that Stannis is on the up, and that they use some of the powerful lines he says with Davos. Dont think we are going to get any Stannis next week (hope I'm wrong). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Man Has Said Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I've just watched this episode. I'm upset because I think the actor playing Stannis is very good, and he could be an amazing character if they just wrote him better.I'm not sure why they left out such powerful passages that I think would translate incredibly well to the screen. Like Stannis' story of the red hawk, or how he became an atheist, or his recollection of when he was so impressed by the king only to learn later that it was Tywin and not Aerys. Instead we get Oberyn orgies... like what?I don't believe that the audience is so naive that they value their daily allowance of HBO soft-core porn above more interesting and conflicted characters. The only good thing they have going for them is that TV!Stannis actually seems to have a relationship with his daughter and Shireen is actually a character and not just ornamentation (and a good character I think too).Anyways this has become somewhat of a rant, but I think it bears repeating you have a good actor and excellent material for adaptation - make something with it.I totally agree. :agree: It's as if D&D would rather be producing pornography, but tried to and found out their was just too much competition. And seriously, in today's age of the internet, can they really imagine that if that was what the audience wanted they would be so uninformed as to look for it on HBO? :pimp: :smileysex: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Well, on the bright side, he's not burning infidels. So that's good On the downside, he still does nothing and shows none of his dry wit. And ambiguously threatens to kill Davos and generally treats him like shit. Oh, well. Shireen's great, though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gneisenau Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I think the Stannis fans are to harsh on TV Stannis. Stannis burnt Axell because he refused an order and we all know how law and order Stannis is, can't have dissent in the ranks.Plus Stannis says he hates certain things but tolerates them all the same, doesn't seem that different from book Stannis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aFeastForDragons Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 As a Stannis fan I really enjoyed that scene. It just showed how hopeless his cause is but he is relentless and refuses to be just a pretender in his enemies eyes. I really liked the scene with Shireen aswell. I'm going to be positive and say they can salvage Stannis's character. They are portraying the WIldlings as cannibalistic mass murderers so when the King who cared comes riding in to save the day with his army chanting "Stannis, Stannis, Stannis!" he's going to get the portrayal he deserves, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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