RainGhost Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Because a knight of the Kingsguard keeps the king's secrets. That way he only broke two vows (protect and obey the king). Jaime actually wanted to be honourable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galaxian Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Jaime assumed that Ned would assumed he was guilty regardless. The irony makes me chuckle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Antony Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Because a knight of the Kingsguard keeps the king's secrets. That way he only broke two vows (protect and obey the king). Jaime actually wanted to be honourable. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerranV Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Jaime assumed that Ned would assumed he was guilty regardless. The irony makes me chuckle. The irony being that he has been known as the Kingslayer for so long that he probably couldn't convince anyone even if he wanted to. Probably thought he might as well live with the shame then spend his life begging for forgiveness for something he is not actually sorry for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordStoneheart Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 He'd rather let them continue to ridicule him as the Kingslayer than to try and justify himself to men that are judging him. That's why he's so bothered about Ned coming in when he's sat on the Iron Throne. So in other words, Jaime is kind of like modern day kids who party during the week and weekends and wear shirts that say #onlygodcanjudgeus Judgment is a fact of life and it was his responsibility to explain himself in the face of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordStoneheart Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Because a knight of the Kingsguard keeps the king's secrets. That way he only broke two vows (protect and obey the king). Jaime actually wanted to be honourable. cherry picking vows is not honorable, especially when breaking one (killing him) kind of renders the others moot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Malenkirk Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 there were still a couple of Pyromancers alive that would have confessed to the plot plus there were thousands of barrels of wildfire all around the city that were evidence to the plot. Yes, and afterward Jaime discreetly hunted the pyromancers down and killed them. It's mentioned in the text. So in the end, it's about pride. I suspect he felt he should have killed Aerys long ago anyway. He was clearly traumatized by Aerys raping his wife regularly while he had to wait passively on guard duty or with any number of his random atrocities. He finally kills him and the first people who discover that look down on him? Screw you, you weren't there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galaxian Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 The irony being that he has been known as the Kingslayer for so long that he probably couldn't convince anyone even if he wanted to. Probably thought he might as well live with the shame then spend his life begging for forgiveness for something he is not actually sorry for. Except that he brought it upon himself by never revealing his side of the story, only to complain about how people judge him without knowing his side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Stargaryen Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Why didn't Jaime tell anyone the real reason he killed Aerys and the pyromancers? I've always sort of thought that Jaime felt like he shouldn't have to explain himself. When you do the world a favor, should you have to explain why? Yes, and afterward Jaime discreetly hunted the pyromancers down and killed them. It's mentioned in the text. So in the end, it's about pride. I suspect he felt he should have killed Aerys long ago anyway. He was clearly traumatized by Aerys raping his wife regularly while he had to wait passively on guard duty or with any nu,ber of his random atrocities. He finally kills him and the first people who discover that look down on him? Screw you, you weren't there! This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter's Knight Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 He didn't think it would matter because it would come of as a weak excuse and no one can verify his story. Actually, they could just find the caches of WF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RainGhost Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 cherry picking vows is not honorable, especially when breaking one (killing him) kind of renders the others moot. But when he first became a knight he swore a vow to protect the innocent. By not killing Aerys, thousands of innocents would have died, so he would have broken that vow - no honour in that. Actually, by not killing Aerys, Aerys would have burned along with everyone else anyway, so he couldn't have protected him even if he'd wanted to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordStoneheart Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 The Lion doesn't explain himself to the lesser beasts"You Westerosi are all the same. You sew some beast upon a scrap of silk, and suddenly you are all lions or dragons or eagles". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larastone Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Because he's a manchild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lopsang Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Can somebody give me a recap on exactly what happened? I don't remember this wildfire scheme thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Equilibrium Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Actually, they could just find the caches of WF. Come on not even pyromancers outside of chosen few know about them, how would Jamie know where they where. And also it doesn't prove anything, pyromancers could spin the story about how it's for the protection of the city and how wildfire can't be kept in large quantities on one place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj4iy Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I think the big problem is that Jaime never paid the price for choosing to do the right thing over keeping his honor. Had he killed the Mad King then gone to the Wall, he could have said why he did what he did and there could have been a real discussion on what the KG should do in a situation like that. But he suffered no consequences, and even he has a problem justifying what he did. Sometimes doing the right thing costs us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrafntýr Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Yes, and afterward Jaime discreetly hunted the pyromancers down and killed them. It's mentioned in the text. So in the end, it's about pride. I suspect he felt he should have killed Aerys long ago anyway. He was clearly traumatized by Aerys raping his wife regularly while he had to wait passively on guard duty or with any nu,ber of his random atrocities. He finally kills him and the first people who discover that look down on him? Screw you, you weren't there! This. I think the big problem is that Jaime never paid the price for choosing to do the right thing over keeping his honor. Had he killed the Mad King then gone to the Wall, he could have said why he did what he did and there could have been a real discussion on what the KG should do in a situation like that. But he suffered no consequences, and even he has a problem justifying what he did. Sometimes doing the right thing costs us. And this. Notably, he hasn't really changed in this lack of propensity to defend his own actions or failure to try to change others' perceptions of him. In his conversation with the Blackfish, when the Blackfish is basically spitting on his honor and pointing to how he broke his vows to Cat, Jaime similarly remains silent and refuses to defend himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodor's Dragon Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Either way, he broke his vow. A good and justifiable excuse is still an excuse. Sometimes breaking your vow is the right thing to do. This was obviously one of those times. Vows are important, but not more important than life and death, especially when you're talking about the life and death of large numbers of people. Even Jaime wasn't arrogant enough to consider his personal honor to trump the death of half a million. And Jaime's arrogant enough to serve most purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj4iy Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Sometimes breaking your vow is the right thing to do. This was obviously one of those times. Vows are important, but not more important than life and death, especially when you're talking about the life and death of large numbers of people. Even Jaime wasn't arrogant enough to consider his personal honor to trump the death of half a million. And Jaime's arrogant enough to serve most purposes. I think Jaime was right to do what he did. However, I also think Jaime should have suffered the consequences of his actions, if he believed his actions to be the right thing to do. Doing the right thing sometimes means paying a price. Ned raised a child as his own bastard and suffered the consequences of doing so...it was definitely the right thing to do, but it came with a price to pay- namely, the loss of his pristine honor- but he paid it nevertheless. Jaime should have done the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narvi Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I think he just didn't give a crap at the time. As we age we start to regret all the decisions we made as youths that caused harms to others. Well the people with morals anyways. He wouldn't be Jamie we love and hate if he'd done it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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