Stannis's Lawyer Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 http://i.imgur.com/22DqJv9.jpg What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis's Lawyer Posted September 25, 2014 Author Share Posted September 25, 2014 Try matching the colors to the Houses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion of the West Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Looks ok to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelittledragonthatcould Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Why have you given so little land to House Locke and Hornwood? Why would the Lockes have less land than the Masterly houses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis's Lawyer Posted September 25, 2014 Author Share Posted September 25, 2014 Why have you given so little land to House Locke and Hornwood? Why would the Lockes have less land than the Masterly houses? 1. The Lockes are very minor. And the Templetons have more men than the Westerlings, so... 2. The Hornwoods just don't have space. I tried to give them as much land as I could, but the Sheepshead Hills are Manderly, the lands west of the White Knife are very likely to be Cerwyn, and the lands around the Dreadfort must be Bolton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nittanian Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 The Lonely Hills are Umber territory (verified by the app). Jon to Stannis in ADWD: To reach the Dreadfort, Your Grace must travel down the kingsroad past the Last River, turn south by east and cross the Lonely Hills. Those are Umber lands, where they know every tree and every rock. The kingsroad runs along their western marches for a hundred leagues. Mors will cut your host to pieces unless you met his terms and wins him to your cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 So the Starks have the biggest territory, it looks even bigger than White Harbor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelittledragonthatcould Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 1. The Lockes are very minor. And the Templetons have more men than the Westerlings, so...The Lockes are a lordly House, while the likes of the Glovers and Tallharts are Masterly ones. Adult Stark, Neds grandfather, married a Locke. We know the Westerlings are a minor House because we have been told in the series. Which characters have mentioned that Locke is a minor House? Despite its distance from the Wall, Oldcastle is one of the settlements Aemon asks for help from the Wildling attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis's Lawyer Posted September 25, 2014 Author Share Posted September 25, 2014 The Lonely Hills are Umber territory (verified by the app). Jon to Stannis in ADWD: Fixed. The Lockes are a lordly House, while the likes of the Glovers and Tallharts are Masterly ones. Adult Stark, Neds grandfather, married a Locke. We know the Westerlings are a minor House because we have been told in the series. Which characters have mentioned that Locke is a minor House? Despite its distance from the Wall, Oldcastle is one of the settlements Aemon asks for help from the Wildling attack. 1. So? Templetons are knights.2. Lannisters married Westerlings too. And a Stark also married a Flint of the Mountains.3. Manderly says that Oldcastle will take its lead from him, so the Lockes are probably weaker than the Woolfields of Ramsgate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Sword Donor Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 1. So? Templetons are knights. 2. Lannisters married Westerlings too. And a Stark also married a Flint of the Mountains. 3. Manderly says that Oldcastle will take its lead from him, so the Lockes are probably weaker than the Woolfields of Ramsgate. Not to mention the Glovers and Tallharts are administering Stark lands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis's Lawyer Posted September 25, 2014 Author Share Posted September 25, 2014 Not to mention the Glovers and Tallharts are administering Stark lands. Yeah. Hence the thinner borders for them in the map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bail o' Lies Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Are you going to try this with the rest of The Seven Kingdoms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis's Lawyer Posted September 25, 2014 Author Share Posted September 25, 2014 Are you going to try this with the rest of The Seven Kingdoms? Maybe Dorne, next. The other kingdoms are impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelittledragonthatcould Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Fixed. 1. So? Templetons are knights. 2. Lannisters married Westerlings too. And a Stark also married a Flint of the Mountains. 3. Manderly says that Oldcastle will take its lead from him, so the Lockes are probably weaker than the Woolfields of Ramsgate. We know that the Templtons are powerful because they can raise more than a 1,000 men. We also know, according to Jon, that all Ned's Lords can raise a 1,000 men. The Lockes are not a weak house like the Westerlings, they might not be one of the Norths heavy hitters but they are not puny either. The Lockes will most likely take their lead from the Manderlys because their Lord is an old man who never leaves the castle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis's Lawyer Posted September 25, 2014 Author Share Posted September 25, 2014 We know that the Templtons are powerful because they can raise more than a 1,000 men. We also know, according to Jon, that all Ned's Lords can raise a 1,000 men. The Lockes are not a weak house like the Westerlings, they might not be one of the Norths heavy hitters but they are not puny either. The Lockes will most likely take their lead from the Manderlys because their Lord is an old man who never leaves the castle. The Lockes are rarely mentioned in the Wot5K. Nobody cares about Ondrew or Oldcastle: not Stannis, not Davos, not Jon, not Roose, not Robb. Note that they apparently lack a fleet, and they are negligible enough for Davos to completely ignore Oldcastle during his voyage to White Harbor. The Lockes probably have about 1,500 soldiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Sword Donor Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 The Lockes are rarely mentioned in the Wot5K. Nobody cares about Ondrew or Oldcastle: not Stannis, not Davos, not Jon, not Roose, not Robb. Note that they apparently lack a fleet, and they are negligible enough for Davos to completely ignore Oldcastle during his voyage to White Harbor. The Lockes probably have about 1,500 soldiers. Yeah, given their proximity to the Flints and the Manderlys, I'd be surprised if they were much stronger than the 1500 or so. The Sisterton lord didn't have anything to say about the Lockes either, despite being closer to them than WH. Luwin doesn't bother writing to the Lockes for reinforcements on news of the IB invasion either, despite writing to houses just as far away or farther away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julia Martell Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Remember, all these second tier lords have third tier lords sworn to them, who all have landed knights and what not sworn to them.... The Flints of Widows Watch might be sworn to the Manderlys, for example. (Or not, how should I know. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Sword Donor Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Remember, all these second tier lords have third tier lords sworn to them, who all have landed knights and what not sworn to them.... The Flints of Widows Watch might be sworn to the Manderlys, for example. (Or not, how should I know. ) The Flints of WW are a principal banner and a noble house. They are sworn directly to the Starks, same as the Manderlys. Houses like Tallhart and Glover are knightly houses. The territory they 'rule' over is actually the Starks, since that is who they are sworn to. They administer the land, but they don't have the power to make legal decision or punish criminals. They have to leave that to their liege lord, the starks in this case. If you read the sworn sword, that's the case for House Osgrey vs House Webber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Pretty! I like the colors. Not up on the territory disputes enough to offer opinions as to accuracy, but it looks good to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julia Martell Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 The Flints of WW are a principal banner and a noble house. They are sworn directly to the Starks, same as the Manderlys. Houses like Tallhart and Glover are knightly houses. The territory they 'rule' over is actually the Starks, since that is who they are sworn to. They administer the land, but they don't have the power to make legal decision or punish criminals. They have to leave that to their liege lord, the starks in this case. If you read the sworn sword, that's the case for House Osgrey vs House Webber. In The Sworn Sword, both Osgrey and Webber hold their lands from Lord Rowan, but Lady Webber is a third tier Lord with power of pit and gallows, while Ser Eustace is just a Landed Knight and presumably doesn't have those powers. So, yeah, it's complicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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