Veltigar Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 It's mainly Venice, with Bruges and Rhodos tacked on top. Bruges has the eldest stock market in the world btw, dating back to at least 1309 IIRC. The word Bourse is even derived from the Van Der Buerse family who owned the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of the Teabags Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Can someone elaborate about the Iron Bank equivalent of Venice? I know the Fuggers learned banking in Venice, but has there been a similar dominant organisation? The Camera Frumenti perhaps? Well looking at a particularly unsavory aspect of medieval and renaissance European culture it is worth mentioning that Venice contained one of the largest and oldest established ghettos in Europe. Anyone who knows anything about medieval Jewish history knows money lending was one of the few trades the Jews were allowed to practice as non-Christians they were exempt from church laws forbidding usury. Venice being a trading port the Jewish population providing a ready source of available capital were an essential part of the city's economy and as a result arguably were slightly more tolerated by the Christian population than elsewhere in Europe. The association of money lending and the Jews particularly with Venice in the late medieval and Renaissance mind is probably best illustrated by the one Shakespearean play set entirely in Venice which also features Venice in the title the Merchant of Venice. The decidedly anti-Semitic portrayal of Shylock and his infamous obsession of getting his 'pound of flesh' is somewhat echoed by the Iron Bank's promise to 'have its due'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion Of The Night Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Well looking at a particularly unsavory aspect of medieval and renaissance European culture it is worth mentioning that Venice contained one of the largest and oldest established ghettos in Europe. Anyone who knows anything about medieval Jewish history knows money lending was one of the few trades the Jews were allowed to practice as non-Christians they were exempt from church laws forbidding usury. Venice being a trading port the Jewish population providing a ready source of available capital were an essential part of the city's economy and as a result arguably were slightly more tolerated by the Christian population than elsewhere in Europe. The association of money lending and the Jews particularly with Venice in the late medieval and Renaissance mind is probably best illustrated by the one Shakespearean play set entirely in Venice which also features Venice in the title the Merchant of Venice. The decidedly anti-Semitic portrayal of Shylock and his infamous obsession of getting his 'pound of flesh' is somewhat echoed by the Iron Bank's promise to 'have its due'.This is true, but like I mentioned earlier, I believe the chief inspiration of the Iron Bank was the Medici. Particularly its influence on the political powers of the times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Fevre Dream Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Lol, loved it.But in a more troubling moment, my gf saw it and said 'aw, they're so cute!' Of course she did, she must have terrific taste, LOL ~waves HI to James and his Girlfriend~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Fevre Dream Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 It's mainly Venice, with Bruges and Rhodos tacked on top. Bruges has the eldest stock market in the world btw, dating back to at least 1309 IIRC. The word Bourse is even derived from the Van Der Buerse family who owned the place. And, I see you're doing the historical sweet talk, too? LOL I've always, minus a touch of climate, thought Venice and as mentioned previously, Carthage for the actual description of the naval arsenal and Rhodes for the idea of going through the Titan's legs. How do I mange to always post things that seem........to be innuendo? I SWEAR, that wasn't my first intent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion Of The Night Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 How do I mange to always post things that seem........to be innuendo? I SWEAR, that wasn't my first intent. Me thinks the Lady doth protest too much..... Lol you knew EXACTLY what you were doing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Fevre Dream Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Me thinks the Lady doth protest too much..... Lol you knew EXACTLY what you were doing.... No, honest. It came to me, HA, as I was typing that bit about going through the Titan's legs. Hey, can ya blame me? With a name like Titan...how could I not be hopeful, LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarah.jenice Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 I see some similarities between Braavos and Amsterdam, but I've always thought of it as Venice. Venice and Braavos have so many parallels (both geographically and culturally - especially in the Middle Ages). Both are/have:- Comprised of about 100 islands connected by bridges and canals with boats as the main form of transportation and a main canal running through the heart of the city - Located in the northern part of the sea (but climates don't match)- Sinking below water. In Braavos there is the Drowned Town which has already sunk so far only the tops of buildings are visible and we know this is happening in Venice too- Settled by refugees - Venice was settled by Romans fleeing invaders like Braavos was settled by slaves fleeing the dragonlords- Ruled by similar officials. The Sealord of Braavos is based on the Doge of Venice - both are elected into their office, which is held for life and not hereditary. They both live in castles referred to as palaces (Sealord's Palace/Doge's Palace)- Seafaring cultures- Huge trade ports- Naval powers- Progressive with religious freedom- Wealthy- Duels over honor - Like with Bravos and their slender blades, Venetians were really sensitive about their honor and would duel with the slender stilettos over slights- Freedom from social restrictions - During Carnivale in Venice, people wore masks during the festivities that allowed them to mix easily among social classes and gave citizens the chance to say anything they wanted to. Mummers are able to say anything they want and mock authority in Braavos.- Famous courtesans and courtesans can achieve a higher social status I also think its funny that there is a famous Venetian painter named Titian, which looks an awful lot like Titan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Of course she did, she must have terrific taste, LOL ~waves HI to James and his Girlfriend~Lol, not territorial. More I'm becoming aware of how cute/adorable she is finding infants of any species lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fourth Head Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 It's mainly Venice, with Bruges and Rhodos tacked on top. Bruges has the eldest stock market in the world btw, dating back to at least 1309 IIRC. The word Bourse is even derived from the Van Der Buerse family who owned the place. wow thats interesting. Amsterdam commonly advertises itself as the world's first stock exchange, but it seems to have simply expanded on the practices in Bruges who in turn were inspired by North Italians. I'm sticking to my first answer: Amsterdam, Bruges and Venice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veltigar Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 If memory serves the Dutch were the first to introduce the concept of shares in a company. That was their most important innovation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 The Merchant of Venice vs. The Merchant's Lusty Lady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRANDON GREYSTARK Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Long live the United Provinces of the Netherlands . Dress style and climate . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen.Sansa.Lannister Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Basically.I was very disappointed to learn that exterior shots of Braavos were not going to be filmed in Amsterdam/Bruges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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