Kienn Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Personally, I liked the fourth and fifth novels, but they're definitely not perfect.I agree that there's a bit too much coverage of the less interesting characters. I think that TWOW should fix this though. There's going to be so much great stuff going on.4 and 5 definitely are perfect actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellstaysia Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 it bothers me that in a fictional universe women are pretty degraded & often the victims of sexual violence. grrm is sometimes good at writing strong female characters but they still encounter real world type sexualized violence which I hate reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaynsa Starne Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Forced marriages, sexual abuse and assault, and genital mutilation are all pretty rough for me. I can't describe how much I want Ramsay and Lyn Corbray to bite it in Winds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Northman Reborn Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Weasel has bothered me for years. Being a parent merely heightened how much it disturbed me upon one of my multiple rereads. For those who can't place her, Weasel is the crying toddler who clings to Arya's leg when they are trekking through the war torn Riverlands. The last we see of Weasel she disappears alone into the woods I think, fleeing the Mountain's men. That's a 2-3 year old girl who lost her parents to brutality and latched onto Arya - another orphaned child - in an instinctive attempt to find a protector, and the safety that parents should provide. That haunts me more than all the gratuitous descriptions of violence, rape and other acts of brutality. The idea of a terrified child, separated from its parents, alone and desperate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword of the Morgan Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Knowing I might never find out how it ends. Worst fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkSister1001 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Aside from the obvious (rape, torture and incest) I really don't like reading Cersei's chapters. She's such a horrible person I feel gross after having her voice in my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valyrian Lance Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 When I picture GRRM narrating one of the sex scenes to me. :bawl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotcat Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 The obvious things bother me, really - the rapes, the torture, the incest, the forced marriages and the genital mutilation. There are certain characters I want to meet a horrible end in WoW for carrying out some, or all, of these acts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elessar Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Usually the way I'm sitting when reading... sometimes I'll change position several times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Grimshaw Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 I will happily read about Dany riding the pale mare if I don't have to read about the jailbait sex. Ew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Hendrix of Rock Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Weasel has bothered me for years. Being a parent merely heightened how much it disturbed me upon one of my multiple rereads. For those who can't place her, Weasel is the crying toddler who clings to Arya's leg when they are trekking through the war torn Riverlands. The last we see of Weasel she disappears alone into the woods I think, fleeing the Mountain's men. That's a 2-3 year old girl who lost her parents to brutality and latched onto Arya - another orphaned child - in an instinctive attempt to find a protector, and the safety that parents should provide. That haunts me more than all the gratuitous descriptions of violence, rape and other acts of brutality. The idea of a terrified child, separated from its parents, alone and desperate.Still gives me chills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoseStark* Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 it bothers me that in a fictional universe women are pretty degraded & often the victims of sexual violence. grrm is sometimes good at writing strong female characters but they still encounter real world type sexualized violence which I hate reading. Well, I agree that women are often degraded and victims of sexual violence and stuff. But we also need to see the story in perspective of time, it's in a medieval place, and in real medieval times, women were treated much the same as they are in Westeros. It stil happens in some parts of the world, and that's bothering me more than reading about those women. Things I was uncomfortable with: - The Jeyne/Ramsay/Theon scene - Jaime in aSoS when he is riding through the Riverlands with his cut of hand around his neck - The Mercy chapter - The guy at Moat Cailin who was really sick (and Reek has to kill him to end his suffering) - The death of Lommy - All Sansa and Littlefinger scenes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cthulhu the Drowned God Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 ^Wow, really... you couldn't find some other comparison than that, thanks a lot. Yeah, he should've gone with an ASOIAF-relevant example. Like Ramsay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoamingRonin Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 The sex scenes between characters that are underage (by our standards today, yadayada). I get that in this world they are "fair game" but a 30+ year old Drogo having sex with a pregnant 14 year old Dany (in public!) will always make me cringe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Dany's last chapter.How so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGimletEye Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Definitely a lot of the rape scenes bother me. For instance, Chiswyk's story bothered me a great deal. Glad Arya had his ass snuffed out. Also, the scene with Jeyne Pool, Theon, and Ramsey Bolton was very disgusting. And the brutality towards children is bothersome too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arya Stark Rules Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 How so? The more she drank the more she shat and the more she shat the more she drank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoamingRonin Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Some of the brutality just seems needlessly excessive. Like the rape of the girl at Salt Pans. Not only was she raped but Rorge's armor tore her body to shreds in the process (or Biter devoured her). I forgot how old she was... 12 or younger, I think. Which makes it all worse. Or the story of the septa having her breasts eaten while Biter raping her. I get it, I get it, the world is hard and cruel but holy hell, who thinks of this stuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 The scene on the Shield Islands where Euron's men made that lords daughters serve them naked.Edited for correction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elessar Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 I don't recall that part? I recall his daughter sitting with Euron, sort of lording it over her father while the rest of the women were made to serve naked. Don't recall the rape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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