Lies And Perfidy Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Hey, Westerosi. I'm compiling a list of spec-fic without sexual assault triggers, to recommend to people for whom that's a non-starter. Basically, good books where nobody gets raped or almost-raped or threatened with sexual violence. I figure general violence is kosher - that's kind of a staple of genre lit anyway - but just not that specific trigger. YA is perfectly fine. Any suggestions are much appreciated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errant Bard Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 I think that's most of SFF. I tried it on the stickied rec thread list, and only mentioning those I read (as far as I can remember of the story): The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay – Michael Chabon Blindness – Jose Saramago The Book of the New Sun – Gene Wolfe Brave New World – Aldous Huxley A Canticle for Leibowitz – Walter M. Miller, Jr. The Chronicles of Amber – Roger Zelazny The Chronicles of Narnia – C.S. Lewis The Dark Tower – Stephen King Discworld – Terry Pratchett* [see Note] Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? – Philip K. Dick Dune – Frank Herbert The Dying Earth – Jack Vance The Earthsea Trilogy – Ursula K. Le Guin Ender's Quartet – Orson Scott Card The Farseer Trilogy – Robin Hobb Fictions – Jorge Luis Borges The Foundation Trilogy – Isaac Asimov Good Omens – Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman The Harry Potter Series – J.K. Rowling His Dark Materials – Philip Pullman The Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy in Five Parts – Douglas Adams The Hobbit – J.R.R. Tolkien Hyperion – Dan Simmons I Am Legend – Richard Matheson The Iron Dragon's Daughter – Michael Swanwick The Left Hand of Darkness – Ursula K. Le Guin The Lions of Al-Rassan – Guy Gavriel Kay Little, Big – John Crowley Lord of Light – Roger Zelazny The Lord of the Rings – J.R.R. Tolkien The Man in the High Castle – Philip K. Dick The Moon is a Harsh Mistress – Robert A. Heinlein Le Morte D'Arthur – Thomas Mallory Neuromancer – William Gibson Nineteen Eighty-Four – George Orwell The Silmarillion – J.R.R. Tolkien Slaughterhouse 5 – Kurt Vonnegut Snow Crash – Neal Stephenson Watership Down – Richard Adams Take some random pick: I don't know, like Gaiman, Bujold, Abraham, or even KJ Parker and you're likely to get a book without sexual assault. I think, if I remember stuff correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crom Dubh Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Rape and sexual assault at least gets mentioned in KJ Parker books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errant Bard Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 In the Folding Knife, there is war and murder and betrayal and, heh, honour killing, but no rape that I can remember, but fair enough, I've not read those in a long time. Anyway, the point was that recommendations covering the whole of SFF is just too vague and vast a task, you can pick up almost anything and have a good chance that there won't be any sexual violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crom Dubh Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Well I'm sure it doesn't appear in all of her books, and to be fair I don't think it is ever depicted or even described. More along the lines of "and then medieval warfare happened, and there was rape, or something." I'm not triggered by anything, so I don't know what does or doesn't qualify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 A lot of those books have sexual assault stuff. Dark Tower for sure, pretty sure Robin Hobb stuff has sexual violence, and The Silmarillion has rape and incest, doesn't it?Pretty sure New Sun has some weird stuff going on in it too, but just trying to remember all that at once is hurting my head.KJ Parker hrmm, I don't remember any of that stuff in the stand alones, but there's some gruesome, GRUESOME stuff(The Hammer, I'm thinking of you).Edit: I guess a question would be, does incest count as a trigger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errant Bard Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 There is a rape in the Liveships Trader trilogy, but I cannot remember any coerced sex in the Farseer trilogy, hmm. Who in the Silmarillion? that sounds odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyanna Stark Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 The Lions of Al-Rassan – Guy Gavriel Kay Ouch no. There is a very descriptive passage of a hugely pregnant woman who got her fetus aborted by way of sword stuck up her privates to kill her and her unborn child. If you have anyone even near squeemishness, for the love of everything holy, do not recommend this book to anyone not looking for trigger warnings of extreme sexual violence. The novel is great, but it should not come without that warning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jo498 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 In the Silmarilion there are some side stories, one of the guy (living alone in the forest) who had/forged one of the meteroic ore swords who took a wife against her will. It's probably more old-fashion bride-stealing but implies more or less rape. And I think there are some more stories like that hinted at. Morgoth is lusting for Luthien but this is only from afar I think. Turin and his sister is unforced and unknowingly incestuous, I think. I have not read the Kay you mentioned but both the Fionavar cycle and Tigana have a few slightly odd sexual encounters. The latter more or less a rape in a cupboard and I do not remember exactly Fionavar but one of the guys becomes the lover of some sex goddess or so and one of the female leads is the object of the lecherous philandering prince. Nothing brutal but some bits might offend the sensitive ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Joe Abercrombie's Shattered Sea trilogy (first two books) has plenty of violence, but no sexual violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupigis Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Ouch no. There is a very descriptive passage of a hugely pregnant woman who got her fetus aborted by way of sword stuck up her privates to kill her and her unborn child. If you have anyone even near squeemishness, for the love of everything holy, do not recommend this book to anyone not looking for trigger warnings of extreme sexual violence. The novel is great, but it should not come without that warning.It's been a long time since I read it, but isn't there also a sex scene which is written in a way that makes the reader believe it is a sexual assault/rape, but after a few pages it is revealed to have been consensual all along?How well was that list checked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jo498 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 The Tigana cupboard or broom closet scene is definitely odd, I seem to recall that I was not really sure who was raping/seducing whom but it seems supposed to be somewhat disturbing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 It's been a long time since I read it, but isn't there also a sex scene which is written in a way that makes the reader believe it is a sexual assault/rape, but after a few pages it is revealed to have been consensual all along?How well was that list checked? No offense to EB, but I don;t think it was checked at all, although there's certainly a few on there that are fine. The Hobbit, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Double post because stupid phone, but Malory and Abraham definitely have sexual violence, but I believe Liebowitz and dying earth are ok.Fionvar definitely has rape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errant Bard Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 How well was that list checked?It was not checked, hence why I included the caveats about faulty rememberance. You expected me to have re-read all that one hour after the thread was created? I am flattered.And no offense taken at all, dr2.I expected to be corrected by fellow boarders if I got one wrong, and it got the ball running on more than the usual suspects, I feel, so it was not useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Ent Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 In the Silmarillion, the dark elf Eöl weds Aredhel Ar-Feiniel, the wilful sister of Turgon, against her will. That’s the only place I can think of, and might deserve a very mild trigger warning at best. Great idea for a thread, by the way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentRoamer Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 In the Hyperion Cantos Fedmahn Kassad is raped by Moneta. Not your usual rape mechanics but sexual violence nonetheless. I think EB has provided a fairly solid list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyanna Stark Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Chris Wooding's Ketty Jay series has no sexual violence in it as far as I remember. There are some oblique references to it, but nothing on the pages, no conversations about it and no characters get threatened by it as far as I can recall. Lovecraft also works quite well. Has a lot of creepy stuff, but it's as far as I can recall more of the tentacled horror variety than the rapetastic kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt b Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Pretty sure New Sun has some weird stuff going on in it too, but just trying to remember all that at once is hurting my head. Yeah, New Sun definitely has a rape in it. Although, like most things going on in a Gene Wolfe story, you kind of have to read between the lines to pick up on it. Urth of the New Sun makes things explicitly clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterbound Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Why limit yourself? And dune has sexual violence in it EB. Both in threat and in practice. Hell, they try to kill the baron by implanting a poison dart in a sex slaves thigh. And Jessica is the product of rape. Ya. Not sure why you'd limit yourself in your reading, but if you are, you're going to have a very small list, and dune shouldn't be on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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