kav2001c Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 One of the most popular theories has always been who Jon's real parents areBut one that has never been mentioned (to my recollection) is Godric's tale (to Davos in DwD)It all but confirms Jon was conceived in the north which makes the Targs a huge red herring "Still in this world only winter is certain. Ned Stark told my father that here in this very hall. At the dawn of Robert's rebellion the mad king had sent to the Eyrie for Stark's head but Jon Arryn sent him back defiance. To get home and call his banners Stark had to cross the mountains to the Fingers and find a fisherman to carry him across the Bite. A storm caught them on the way. The fisherman drowned but his daughter got Stark to the Sisters before the boat went down. He left her with a bag of silver and a bastard in her belly. Jon Snow she named him after Arryn" Most of us agree it is very unlikely Ned Stark is the actual father, but his story makes it entirely plausible why Ned would feel obligated to take Jon in as his ward / bastard.I also think it is unlikely the young girl had an affair with Jon Arryn (her naming Jon Snow after him was a sign of respect nothing more) and even less likely a noname fisherman's daughter would ever bed the Dragon Prince. BUTWe also know Jon's parents are important so the million dollar question becomes ok so who is she & who got her pregnant? Try this theory on for size as times + dates all match up :) Tyrion meets Tysha and married her (we obv are assuming they consummated the marriage first)Tywin forced Tysha to get gang raped and made Tyrion pay her after the factTyrion has been looking for his wife for quite some time nowTysha runs eastward and takes refuge (possibly with family, possibly with a stranger who felt sympathy for her)Tysha meets Ned Stark and helps him escape Tyrion + Tysha = Jon's parents and somehow this will be revealed to Tyrion in the next book (this is also heavily foreshadowed as Tyrion discussed Tysha with Bronn on his trip to the Vale if you remember & also gives weight to how Jon & Tyrion feel towards each other) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flrtwtrble Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 I'm not a huge fan that it's stated as FACT who Jon's parents really are. Until GRRM states it as fact, it is assumption. However, one huge hole in your theory is that it's commented a number of times that Jon has Start features and resembles Ned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roose is Azor Ahai Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Also one hole is that Jon was born during the Rebellion. Tyrion met with Tysha some years after the Rebellion. See, Jaime is 9 years older than Tyrion. Jaime was 16 when Rebellion happened, what makes Tyrion to be 7 at the time. He met Tysha when he was 13, so that was six years after Robert's Rebellion. Unless you suggest that Tysha gave birth to Tyrion's son 6 years before she even met the dwarf, this theory is illogical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A bowl of brown Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Yeah the timelines do not match up and it does not in anyway explain Jon's Stark features. But at least it was original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav2001c Posted February 27, 2015 Author Share Posted February 27, 2015 Also one hole is that Jon was born during the Rebellion. Tyrion met with Tysha some years after the Rebellion. See, Jaime is 9 years older than Tyrion. Jaime was 16 when Rebellion happened, what makes Tyrion to be 7 at the time. He met Tysha when he was 13, so that was six years after Robert's Rebellion. Unless you suggest that Tysha gave birth to Tyrion's son 6 years before she even met the dwarf, this theory is illogical. I swear I read Tyrion + Tysha was before rebellion... But still I think even if I misread timeline my initial point that Jon is a Targ is totally false Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buried Treasure Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Because of the Borrell story? A third party sharing a scrap of gossip twenty years later. We have seen how quickly gossip gets distorted from lots of events in the Riverlands that a POV witnessed and that a different POV hears about later. There could be a grain of truth in the gossip; maybe Ned really did sleep with the girl and there is a second Jon Snow, or maybe the girl had a bastard by a different father soon after and the locals speculated that it was the great Lord's bastard and Borrell put that together with the well known fact that Lord Stark's bastard is named Jon Snow.What doesn't add up is our Jon being this girl's child. For more details on why the timeline and symbolism don't make sense see the pinned thread in the General sub-forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyll.Ing. Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Hey, who ever said that Ned only had one bastard? It'd make for one hell of a twist if it turned out he was kind of like Robert in that regard, only better at hiding it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj4iy Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 One of the most popular theories has always been who Jon's real parents are But one that has never been mentioned (to my recollection) is Godric's tale (to Davos in DwD) It all but confirms Jon was conceived in the north which makes the Targs a huge red herring "Still in this world only winter is certain. Ned Stark told my father that here in this very hall. At the dawn of Robert's rebellion the mad king had sent to the Eyrie for Stark's head but Jon Arryn sent him back defiance. To get home and call his banners Stark had to cross the mountains to the Fingers and find a fisherman to carry him across the Bite. A storm caught them on the way. The fisherman drowned but his daughter got Stark to the Sisters before the boat went down. He left her with a bag of silver and a bastard in her belly. Jon Snow she named him after Arryn" Most of us agree it is very unlikely Ned Stark is the actual father, but his story makes it entirely plausible why Ned would feel obligated to take Jon in as his ward / bastard. I also think it is unlikely the young girl had an affair with Jon Arryn (her naming Jon Snow after him was a sign of respect nothing more) and even less likely a noname fisherman's daughter would ever bed the Dragon Prince. BUT We also know Jon's parents are important so the million dollar question becomes ok so who is she & who got her pregnant? Try this theory on for size as times + dates all match up :) Tyrion meets Tysha and married her (we obv are assuming they consummated the marriage first) Tywin forced Tysha to get gang raped and made Tyrion pay her after the fact Tyrion has been looking for his wife for quite some time now Tysha runs eastward and takes refuge (possibly with family, possibly with a stranger who felt sympathy for her) Tysha meets Ned Stark and helps him escape Tyrion + Tysha = Jon's parents and somehow this will be revealed to Tyrion in the next book (this is also heavily foreshadowed as Tyrion discussed Tysha with Bronn on his trip to the Vale if you remember & also gives weight to how Jon & Tyrion feel towards each other) Doesn't work because Jon STILL has to have Stark blood in him...otherwise, he would be unable to warg a direwolf. He also looks like a Stark...something that is unexplainable by your theory. But yeah, Jon has to have Stark blood. Unless Tysha was a secret Stark, I don't see it happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Try this theory on for size as times + dates all match up :) Tyrion meets Tysha and married her (we obv are assuming they consummated the marriage first)Tywin forced Tysha to get gang raped and made Tyrion pay her after the factTyrion has been looking for his wife for quite some time nowTysha runs eastward and takes refuge (possibly with family, possibly with a stranger who felt sympathy for her)Tysha meets Ned Stark and helps him escape Tyrion + Tysha = Jon's parents and somehow this will be revealed to Tyrion in the next book (this is also heavily foreshadowed as Tyrion discussed Tysha with Bronn on his trip to the Vale if you remember & also gives weight to how Jon & Tyrion feel towards each other) Actually the dates do not match up. 1. At the end of the rebellion, Catelyn arrives at Winterfell but Jon and his wetnurse are already there (Catelyn II, AGoT)2. Tyrion was 13 when he wed Tysha (Tyrion VI, AGoT)3. Tyrion was born in 273AC (TWoIaF) and thus would have only met and married Tysha circa. 286AC. Therefore Jon was already at Winterfell long before Tyrion ever met Tysha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFDanny Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 One of the most popular theories has always been who Jon's real parents are But one that has never been mentioned (to my recollection) is Godric's tale (to Davos in DwD) It all but confirms Jon was conceived in the north which makes the Targs a huge red herring "Still in this world only winter is certain. Ned Stark told my father that here in this very hall. At the dawn of Robert's rebellion the mad king had sent to the Eyrie for Stark's head but Jon Arryn sent him back defiance. To get home and call his banners Stark had to cross the mountains to the Fingers and find a fisherman to carry him across the Bite. A storm caught them on the way. The fisherman drowned but his daughter got Stark to the Sisters before the boat went down. He left her with a bag of silver and a bastard in her belly. Jon Snow she named him after Arryn" Others have dealt with the Tysha aspects of this, but just let me say I'm much more inclined to think Lord Godric's tale is the red herring. Ned's journey likely takes place in the first two months of 282 and Jon is likely conceived in third or fourth month of the same year. Close, but, still probably not possible. More important is that one has to ask why Lord Godric is telling Stannis's Hand this tale? My guess is that it is not only a red herring for the reader, but it is supposed to be a false lead for the characters in the story as well. Godric comes from a loyalist family and he is telling a rebel hand how he befriended a rebel general and even knows his secret story of who his bastard's mother is. It reads to me as if this is the agreed upon tale to tell anyone who comes looking for answers about Ned and Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_King_in_the_South Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 I love the theory even though it doesnt work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonSnowKissedbyfire Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 Nice idea however it is little bit far fetched for a theory and I have seen few others which may be worse than this! Jon has stark features, he reminds Cat of Ned, looks like Arya and we have been told repeatedly that Arya looks like Lyana. He has warg like dreams as does Bran and Lannisters are not known for it either. Ned calls him his blood when Cat asks the question about his mother and when thinking about his children in God's wood with Cerci he doesn't think of Jon as one of his children. There is only one possibility if Ned thinks Jon is his blood but doesn't think Jon is his son! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alienarea Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 Regardless who will turn out as Jon Snow's parents in the end, I am amazed again and again how timelines are used to prove or disprove said theories. In a series set in a fantasy worls where seasons can last for years, written by an author who admits to being sloppy with timelines and distances. Really? :dunno: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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