Marcel Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 We know that Rhaenys was born at Dragonstone. But where was Aegon born? I always assumed it was at Dragonstone, but is it clearly established somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bent branch Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 TWOIAF establishes clearly that Aegon was born on Dragonstone. It also shows that Aegon wasn't presented at court like Rhaenys was. The boy brought to court may not have been Aegon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bael's Bastard Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 That's an interesting point. It seems possible that Aegon was never actually brought to King's Landing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcel Posted May 12, 2015 Author Share Posted May 12, 2015 So, both Aegon and Rhaenys were born at Dragonstone. Ok. If Rhaegar was "recreating" the three heads of the dragon, the Conqueror and his sisters, why the third head wouldn't be born there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Considering Rhaegar was already dead for a month, he didn't have much input on the place for his "daughter" to be born. As well as that little hiccup of a war interfering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Joe the Unknighted Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Well in Dany's vision in the house of the undying (which I took to be an actual event that happened) Rhaegar is with Elia and the baby Aegon after his birth. Aegon was likely born at either Dragonstone or King's Landing. Why wouldn't he have been? He was killed at King's Landing a year or two after his birth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connartist92 Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 TWOIAF establishes clearly that Aegon was born on Dragonstone. It also shows that Aegon wasn't presented at court like Rhaenys was. The boy brought to court may not have been Aegon. Oh my god... In all my theorizing on how Aegon is really Aegon, that never even occurred to me! :agree: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Joe the Unknighted Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 But it was. Alas. Aegon is dead. (F)Aegon or more accurately Aegon Blackfire (through the female line) was born in Pentos to Illyrio Mopatis and Serra of Lys. Who may have more properly been named Viserra Blackfire and was likely the sister of Varys Blackfire. The Golden Company has a contract written in Blood that requires them to support FAegon and Varys set up Viserys and Daenerys to be the villains so that FAegon could save the realm from the Dothraki hoard that was invading Westeros. Once the dragon eggs were hatched Varys and Illyrio changed plans and had Aegon marry Daenerys to prove his legitimacy by marrying him to a proven Targaryen with dragons. Faegon and Jon Connington have reversed Varys' plan by invading Westeros with the Golden Company without Daenerys. Now they have no proof that he is a Targaryen, no dragons, and they have become the outside threat that the realm needs to be saved from. This is what happens when you don't share your plan with everyone Varys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Joe the Unknighted Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Considering Rhaegar was already dead for a month, he didn't have much input on the place for his "daughter" to be born. As well as that little hiccup of a war interfering. What on earth does that mean? Are you implying Rhaegar had sex with his mother and is Dany's father? That is ridicules. Not only was Rhaella always under guard, but Aerys got all hot and bothered any time he burned someone or saw something burning. Rhaegar was conceived after Aerys saw the Burning at Summerhall and Dany was conceived after the burning of Rickard Stark. Dany is a true born daughter of Aerys Targaryen and his wife Queen Rhaella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 What on earth does that mean? Are you implying Rhaegar had sex with his mother and is Dany's father? That is ridicules. Not only was Rhaella always under guard, but Aerys got all hot and bothered any time he burned someone or saw something burning. Rhaegar was conceived after Aerys saw the Burning at Summerhall and Dany was conceived after the burning of Rickard Stark. Dany is a true born daughter of Aerys Targaryen and his wife Queen Rhaella. He means that Rhaegar most likely was expecting a daughter by Lyanna, and did not live long enough to see he was wrong.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connartist92 Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 The Golden Company has a contract written in Blood that requires them to support FAegon Perhaps. Or perhaps not. There's no textual evidence that this still holds true after so many years have passed. If there are no more Blackfyres and only one Targaryen left, the GC would flock to that last Targaryen. Above all else, they want to go home to Westeros. It's been a few generations since Bittersteel led the GC, and most of the men weren't even alive to know anything about the Blackfyres first hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcel Posted May 12, 2015 Author Share Posted May 12, 2015 Considering Rhaegar was already dead for a month, he didn't have much input on the place for his "daughter" to be born. As well as that little hiccup of a war interfering. In fact, I mean a different thing: If Rhaegar was so obsessed with the "Three heads of the dragon" prophecy, that his children would be Aegon the Conqueror and his sisters reincarnated, why did he not plan that the third head would be born at Dragonstone? If he went so far as to kidnap the daughter of a great lord of Westeros, he must surely would be careful that this part of the prophecy wouldn't be neglected. But there is no indication that he considered to carry Lyanna to dragonstone or that he has charged Whent, Dayne or Hightower of such task. What on earth does that mean? Are you implying Rhaegar had sex with his mother and is Dany's father? That is ridicules. Not only was Rhaella always under guard, but Aerys got all hot and bothered any time he burned someone or saw something burning. Rhaegar was conceived after Aerys saw the Burning at Summerhall and Dany was conceived after the burning of Rickard Stark. Dany is a true born daughter of Aerys Targaryen and his wife Queen Rhaella. Rhaegar was born in the same day that Summerhall burned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halcyon-Days Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 But it was. Alas. Aegon is dead. (F)Aegon or more accurately Aegon Blackfire (through the female line) was born in Pentos to Illyrio Mopatis and Serra of Lys. Who may have more properly been named Viserra Blackfire and was likely the sister of Varys Blackfire. Stop presenting your theory as fact when it is founded on almost nothing but peoples rampant speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isobel Harper Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 What on earth does that mean? Are you implying Rhaegar had sex with his mother and is Dany's father? That is ridicules. Not only was Rhaella always under guard, but Aerys got all hot and bothered any time he burned someone or saw something burning. Rhaegar was conceived after Aerys saw the Burning at Summerhall and Dany was conceived after the burning of Rickard Stark. Dany is a true born daughter of Aerys Targaryen and his wife Queen Rhaella. Rhaegar was born in the same day that Summerhall burned. Also, Daenerys was apparently conceived after Aerys burnt his Hand, Lord Chelsted. Chelsted was burned by wildfire at some time near the Battle of the Trident for refusing to go along with the wildfire plot. A king has no secrets from his Kingsguard. Relations between Aerys and his queen had been strained during the last years of his reign. They slept apart and did their best to avoid each other during the waking hours. But whenever Aerys gave a man to the flames, Queen Rhaella would have a visitor in the night. The day he burned his mace-and-dagger Hand, Jaime and Jon Darry had stood at guard outside her bedchamber whilst the king took his pleasure. "You're hurting me," they had heard Rhaella cry through the oaken door. "You're hurting me." In some queer way, that had been worse than Lord Chelsted's screaming. "We are sworn to protect her as well," Jaime had finally been driven to say. "We are," Darry allowed, "but not from him." Jaime had only seen Rhaella once after that, the morning of the day she left for Dragonstone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Also, Daenerys was apparently conceived after Aerys burnt his Hand, Lord Chelsted. Chelsted was burned by wildfire at some time near the Battle of the Trident for refusing to go along with the wildfire plot.OT, but for some reason I always remember that as Hightower, not Darry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hallam Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Stop presenting your theory as fact when it is founded on almost nothing but peoples rampant speculation. Yep, I find it rather offputting when folk peddling theories that have obvious plot holes (e.g. R+L=J making Jon still a bastard) get so insistent that their theory is 'fact'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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