KingStoneheart Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Not 50. But within 100-150 pages after the Prologue, him and Barristan will both be dead. Stannis will die at Winterfell and Barristan will die with the destruction of Meereen (this makes room for Tyrion and also gives Dany ANOTHER reason for her to head west) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Ghost of Someone Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 The prologue will include Jeyne Westerling. This is per GRRM himself. My guess is Sybella Westerling will be the pov or Edmure Tulley. Stannis though and the Battle of winter will be in the first 5-6 chapters and will be resolved. I think surprisingly compared to the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redeagl Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 yes he will die soon. :crying: :crying: :bawl: :bawl: :frown5: :bawl: :crying: :bawl: there will be no rightful kint to protect westeros ( just the crazy Dany will she is gonna die and house targeryan will extincit since she can bear no children :cheers: ) The prologue will include Jeyne Westerling. This is per GRRM himself. My guess is Sybella Westerling will be the pov or Edmure Tulley. Stannis though and the Battle of winter will be in the first 5-6 chapters and will be resolved. I think surprisingly compared to the show. Edmure????? why do you want him to die why he has done nothing bad you want to banish house tully or what :ack: for Hoster's sake don't think that Edmure will be the prologue pov. ( i reallly hope he is not ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetsunray Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 No, yes. As I see it there are three things any death needs to check: - The vision he has of himself being burned to ash by his crown. - The vision Dany has of him, regarding lies to slay. - Shireen getting burned. Dying within 50 pages of the book beginning would require fairly shit explanations for the above. e.g the crown vision is totally a metaphor and just means he will die at some point, the lie Dany will slay is just a few insignificant survivors still believing in Stannis as AA, and Shireen gets burned by Mel as a way to revive Stannis/Jon. I know Stannis believes that vision with the crown is about himself, but it sounds so much like Viserys' death... always made me wonder, that's what he saw - Viserys dying with his molten golden crown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetsunray Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Actually I think Stannis will end up wiping the floor with both the Freys and Boltons, and will rally the North to him, but he'll die towards the end of WoW, either against Dany or agains the Others after the wall is done for. But D&D were not smart enough to figure out how Stannis would do that (not as great readers as they made themselves out to be with the R+L=J thing), or they knew and found it too long winded and complicated to put it on screen (would take another episodes, possibly a whole season to show it), and just thought... pfff let's off him and make him the dumbest tactician ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Drunkard Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 I know Stannis believes that vision with the crown is about himself, but it sounds so much like Viserys' death... always made me wonder, that's what he saw - Viserys dying with his molten golden crown. Maybe, but I think it has more impact if Stannis is looking at his own future and viewing the ultimate consequence of his quest, rather than accidentally viewing someone else and drawing some mistaken assumptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
targurl 15 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 What show? I don't remember this event from the South Park Black Friday Trilogy. Or are you talking about the farce written by Dabid and Daaan, collected from scattered cliff notes taken by Steve the intern? Who even cares about theat steaming hot mess? No need to be offensive and cruel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Agrippa Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 No need to be offensive and cruel. Yes there is a need. This is the book side of the forums. The show doesn't belong here. It has little to do with book. It's a broad paintbrush compared that will get to the end in a different form. Book Stannis is one of the few non-villain atheist characters in popular literature. He is vastly important from that point and dabid and the intern screwed that up. They have changed for many a view point of a great character to a villain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spoon89 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 The prologue will include Jeyne Westerling. This is per GRRM himself. My guess is Sybella Westerling will be the pov or Edmure Tulley. Stannis though and the Battle of winter will be in the first 5-6 chapters and will be resolved. I think surprisingly compared to the show. I think it will be a Jeyne Westerling POV of the Blackfish's attempt to breakout Edmure. She will try to escape with them, catch an arrow and tragically bleed out during the escape since they will likely be on the run and unable to stop to treat her. A tragic end and effectively ending the pregnant Jeyne theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouKnowNothingJonSnow Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 OK, this may be a dumb question, but why are some posters theorizing that Victarion's horn is the Horn of Winter and will bring down the Wall when blown? Especially since it has already been blown and the Wall is still standing? Am I missing something? Something big? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spoon89 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 OK, this may be a dumb question, but why are some posters theorizing that Victarion's horn is the Horn of Winter and will bring down the Wall when blown? Especially since it has already been blown and the Wall is still standing? Am I missing something? Something big? Because people fail to remember that it has been sounded? I think that Victarion's horn does not work like it has been believed though, and I think the horn that is the Horn of Winter (will wake the giants, not necessarily dropping the Wall) is in Sam's possession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibbison from Ibben Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Foreshadowed how? The fate of Stannis has been foreshadowed by Tywin Lannister. from ASoS, Jaime IX (Tywin is speaking to Pycelle in council) "Did you turn into an utter fool when Tyrion shaved your beard? This is Stannis Baratheon. The man will fight to the bitter end and then some. Stannis will survive the Battle of Ice, but will eventually die and rise as UnStannis. There's been a lot of evidence presented linking Stannis with the Night's King story that Bran remembered. (For the record, I don't think he will burn Shireen. Selyse and Mel will, when they get fooled by his "fake death" plan. Stannis' reaction to that will push him over the moral event horizon, and lead to his death and rising as UnStannis.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouKnowNothingJonSnow Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Not 50. But within 100-150 pages after the Prologue, him and Barristan will both be dead. Stannis will die at Winterfell and Barristan will die with the destruction of Meereen (this makes room for Tyrion and also gives Dany ANOTHER reason for her to head west) I hardly think Barristan dies within 100-150 pages either. Have you read the sample chapters? There are two Barristan POVs, we could easily be 100+ pages in by the time those two get read. And we have a cliffhanger situation on the Wall that needs resolved early on. Not to mention, Barristan/Stannis are the two obvious choices for characters that George may be twisting in a different situation than the show can because the show killed them. I think both could die (or live) and have the book/show end up in the same place (especially Barristan), but both deserve a much more epic ending than the show gave them. Barristan WILL return to Westeros, and Stannis will die doing something good. I say fighting the Others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Ghost of Someone Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 yes he will die soon. :crying: :crying: :bawl: :bawl: :frown5: :bawl: :crying: :bawl: there will be no rightful kint to protect westeros ( just the crazy Dany will she is gonna die and house targeryan will extincit since she can bear no children :cheers: ) Edmure????? why do you want him to die why he has done nothing bad you want to banish house tully or what :ack: for Hoster's sake don't think that Edmure will be the prologue pov. ( i reallly hope he is not ) Edmure I do not think will be the POV. I think Sybella Spicer Westerling will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetsunray Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Edmure I do not think will be the POV. I think Sybella Spicer Westerling will be. What type of characters have we had so far in prologues: Varamyr (bad guy), Pate (young, not bad, but not harmless either... after all he gives a key that locks any doors in the Citadel to a complete stranger for little money), Chett (bad guy), Cressen (believes he's doing his king a favor), Will (ranger, doing his duty) So, could be good person, bad person, insignificant person (status or unknown), significant (high status, known). Don't think it will be Edmure, Blackfish, or Jeyne. GRRM knows that we know that the POV character of the prologue will die for sure, and he already revealed Jeyne would be featured in the prologue. So, I think he would opt for someone insignificant - either someone who is one of the men doing the escorting, or a character being escorted to CR. With Varamyr, Chett and Will other characters died beside the POV. If GRRM chooses someone doing the escorting, we're going to expect a slaughter of the Lannister escort. But if he picks someone of those who are being escorted, then we'll be kept in utter suspense whether the rescue attempt will succeed or fail completely. And it might be a sympathetic character that would make us fear all the other sympathetic characters will die too. So, I'm betting on Gawen or Rollam Westerling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonSnowed Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Why has the show infiltrated here. It's not valid evidence for the book so why bringing it up here makes any sense is beyond me. Serious denile going on here I'm afraid. The show and the books are going to the same place GRRM says so and the show producers... Anyway to go back to the original question I do not see Stannis making it out of Winds alive, he's very much a background character (albeit an important one). It seems that the Pink letter is true in that the Boltons do win the battle of ice, I am sure the show is aligned there however I wouldn't totally rule out Stannis surviving it and living a little longer yet as a broken man (again). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonSnowed Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 I hardly think Barristan dies within 100-150 pages either. Have you read the sample chapters? There are two Barristan POVs, we could easily be 100+ pages in by the time those two get read. And we have a cliffhanger situation on the Wall that needs resolved early on. Not to mention, Barristan/Stannis are the two obvious choices for characters that George may be twisting in a different situation than the show can because the show killed them. I think both could die (or live) and have the book/show end up in the same place (especially Barristan), but both deserve a much more epic ending than the show gave them. Barristan WILL return to Westeros, and Stannis will die doing something good. I say fighting the Others. I am convinced George is talking about Sansa in his recent comments. My strong feeling is that the show and George are aligned on Stannis but the show decided to kill Barristan earlier than he dies in the books most probably because they are skipping the Battle of Meereen and wanted Tyrion to meet Dany earlier than in the books. Agree that Barristan should make it through fifty pages but Stannis may already be dead in the books to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Using the show to predict Stannis' death is pretty ridiculous. If you are saying that the show is not wrong here, than what you are also saying is that Stannis will first burn Shireen, who is hundreds of miles away, and will be killed by Brienne, who is over a thousand miles away. These things cannot be reconciled in the books the way it happened in the show. Let us also compare the events before the battle takes place show vs book. In show Stannis has significantly less than 3k men, in the books he has over 6k In the show Stannis attacks Winterfell, in the books Roose sends out only a portion of his force, part of which will defect to Stannis in the show Stannis is completely surprised and essentially ambushed on ground he has no advantage on, in the books he knows the attack is coming and has the time and ability to make effective defenses In the show Ramsay is some super badass, in the books he is "a brauler" who's skin hands off his body loosely suggesting he will get fat later in life. These things are irreconcilable, so stop trying to say they will end the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Agrippa Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Using the show to predict Stannis' death is pretty ridiculous. If you are saying that the show is not wrong here, than what you are also saying is that Stannis will first burn Shireen, who is hundreds of miles away, and will be killed by Brienne, who is over a thousand miles away. These things cannot be reconciled in the books the way it happened in the show. Let us also compare the events before the battle takes place show vs book. In show Stannis has significantly less than 3k men, in the books he has over 6k In the show Stannis attacks Winterfell, in the books Roose sends out only a portion of his force, part of which will defect to Stannis in the show Stannis is completely surprised and essentially ambushed on ground he has no advantage on, in the books he knows the attack is coming and has the time and ability to make effective defenses In the show Ramsay is some super badass, in the books he is "a brauler" who's skin hands off his body loosely suggesting he will get fat later in life. These things are irreconcilable, so stop trying to say they will end the same way. He's just another show troll on a vindication trip. I have a feeling that the show might end the same as the books do- but a lot of characters are going to have different fates. Where I suspect we will see stannis die in wow it will be after he unites the north. Stannis's fate is sort of a sad one but he can't win in the end for the simple fact that the kingdoms will be at least spilt into two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 ^Yes I agree he will die in the end, and maybe the show can be trusted that he will not take the Iron Throne first, but I think he is definitely surviving the upcoming battle, and more than likely will outlive both Boltons and at least march on the Twins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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