Shryke Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 No one knows. The crazies like Trump and Carson are still dominating the field and all the Romney-esque establishment candidates are shooting themselves in the foot over and over again and displaying an incredible amount of incompetence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 And Los Angeles got permission from the state to put forward their huge transit ballot measure for 2016. This looks to be a $0.005 sales tax levied for 60 years that would raise 40 billion plus for public transit and 20+ billions for freeway infrastructure as well. It will still have to clear a 66.66% majority to pass which is doable, however the 2012 ballot measure failed by only garnering a 66.65% majority. California has extreme anti democracy system in popular voting where all NO votes are counted as two votes, which is why one needs a two third majority of YES votes. If LA had clean air and less horrific traffic, it would be a really amazing place. Let's see how this goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disturber of Peace Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 If he remains strongly polled for after the 2nd debate, Donald the Builder will actually be a true contender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrackerNeil Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 If he remains strongly polled for after the 2nd debate, Donald the Builder will actually be a true contender. I don't think so. The party apparatus is not behind Trump, and they'll work to undermine him. Right now there are 16 candidates, but as they drop out over the next few months, their followers will move to alternates, and by then opinion leaders will be pushing back on The Donald. Admittedly, Trump has stayed afloat longer than I ever thought, but I doubt he'll be in the race come January. Speaking of Trump, does anyone besides me think that pledge he signed, to support the eventual Republican nominee, isn't worth the ink in the pen? I doubt any Trump supporters will abandon him because he breaks a promise like that; Obama promised in 2005 not to run for president, but that didn't keep him from getting the nomination three years later. I notice, too, that Trump is already paving the way for his oath-breaking; he said he'd support the nominee assuming the party treated him with respect. Naturally, The Donald gets to decide when respect has been given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marquis de Leech Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 I don't think so. The party apparatus is not behind Trump, and they'll work to undermine him. Right now there are 16 candidates, but as they drop out over the next few months, their followers will move to alternates, and by then opinion leaders will be pushing back on The Donald. Admittedly, Trump has stayed afloat longer than I ever thought, but I doubt he'll be in the race come January. Problem is that the party apparatus has been riding a tiger since the Tea Party arrived on the scene. The tiger has now decided it quite likes Trump. (I think if Trump does win the nomination, you'll see a Republican version of 1972 where the leadership sit on their hands. But we'll see. There's a long way to go). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disturber of Peace Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 What i can not estimate is how the republican leaders see their voters. People are getting very fired up about Trump for an extended period of time maybe. Then if he busts will a lot of people get disappointed about the whole thing or still vote? The Republican leaders and media will have to do lots of work to grow another candidate now. You often think they could be tempted to just go with the flow. So yeah, if Trump stays on top for another month or two then it may just be Donald the Builder, Warden of the South. Do not take me for his supporter, he is a clown. But i do not think he would ever run as independant. I think the whole thing about him considering it and not pledging in the first debate was just about giving a show to the voters about his general independance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martell Spy Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Speaking of Trump, does anyone besides me think that pledge he signed, to support the eventual Republican nominee, isn't worth the ink in the pen? I doubt any Trump supporters will abandon him because he breaks a promise like that; Obama promised in 2005 not to run for president, but that didn't keep him from getting the nomination three years later. I notice, too, that Trump is already paving the way for his oath-breaking; he said he'd support the nominee assuming the party treated him with respect. Naturally, The Donald gets to decide when respect has been given. I don't think he'll keep the pledge, no. However, he may be bought off with future favors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrackerNeil Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 I don't think he'll keep the pledge, no. However, he may be bought off with future favors. Maybe, but the typical incentives available to losing candidates--judgeships, cabinet positions, etc.--aren't going to work here. Is President Rubio really going to appoint Donald Trump Secretary of the Treasury? Any suitable post is likely to be too obscure and unimportant to interest The Donald. As to negative reinforcement, Trump owes nothing to the Republican Party, and threats from that quarter are meaningless. In fact, the eventual nominee dare not offend His Lordship, lest he arouse the wrath of the Trumpeters or Trumpees or whatever they're calling themselves. It's a real bind for the GOP, and I'm interested to see how this plays out. Believe me, no one would be happier than I to see Trump take the nomination, and although that seems unlikely I'm still not sure how exactly this ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Walker Texas Ranger Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Donald wouldn't get bought off with political appointments he'd get bought off with favorable zoning or blocking rival cadinos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrackerNeil Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Donald wouldn't get bought off with political appointments he'd get bought off with favorable zoning or blocking rival cadinos But can't he get that sort of thing now? He doesn't need a Republican president to do any of that. I just don't see how Republicans have any leverage with this guy. I think they just have to hope he either gets tired of this circus or else decides that electing Rubio or Walker or whomever fits into his overweening ego. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Problem is that the party apparatus has been riding a tiger since the Tea Party arrived on the scene. The tiger has now decided it quite likes Trump. (I think if Trump does win the nomination, you'll see a Republican version of 1972 where the leadership sit on their hands. But we'll see. There's a long way to go). See how Fox tried to turn on him and then had to back down cause their own audience sided with Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay Gimp Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 I think some of you guys are mistaken about what's going on with Trump. This isn't the GOP establishment creating a Frankenstein monster that embodies their talking points. Trump is actually saying things that defy party orthodoxy (supported single-payer, wants to raise taxes on the wealthy, supports relations with Cuba). What's really happening is that a huge chunk of Republican voters have decided that enough is enough. These voters realize that the GOP establishment doesn't give two shits about their concerns - it only cares about making constant war in the ME and giving tax cuts to big donors. So they're giving a giant middle finger to the party, and it's awesome. If he remains strongly polled for after the 2nd debate, Donald the Builder will actually be a true contender. I love how everyone keeps moving the goalposts. He's obviously a "true contender" at this point, and will probably win the nomination. I don't think so. The party apparatus is not behind Trump, and they'll work to undermine him. Right now there are 16 candidates, but as they drop out over the next few months, their followers will move to alternates, and by then opinion leaders will be pushing back on The Donald. Several of the talk radio guys have endorsed Trump, and Limbaugh won't risk pissing off his listeners by attacking him. As for the other Conservative "opinion leaders," they've already been pushing hard against Trump but his supporters have told them to fuck off. Megyn Kelly, Krauthammer (and Fox in general), Jonah Goldberg (and National review in general), etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martell Spy Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 But can't he get that sort of thing now? He doesn't need a Republican president to do any of that. I just don't see how Republicans have any leverage with this guy. I think they just have to hope he either gets tired of this circus or else decides that electing Rubio or Walker or whomever fits into his overweening ego. I don't know what's going to happen. However, there may come a point when the Donald realizes he can't win. (If he thinks he will win, he will likely continue, as there is no greater prize than the Presidency) At that point, I think it likely he'll take some sort of buyout. Unless he's just trolling the GOP, in which case he'll make quite the mess. But I doubt that he is just in this for lulz. As for the what the buyout is? I don't know exactly, but I would really doubt it would be an appointment for Trump. He'd see being Vice President or a Secretary as a step down. Perhaps federal building funds, as he is a builder. He already influences politicians, so I"m sure he can find something he needs. Perhaps appointments for people he knows. Ambassadorships are commonly given to rich donors. What I find unlikely is that he wouldn't attempt to profit once it became clear he wasn't going to win. And an independent run is extremely likely to end in a victory for the Democrats, since their coalition is largely united. I'm not going to predict the Donald won't win the nomination. We've all seen countless pundits embarrass themselves declaring that it's about to happen. (Kristol, LOL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayyoth Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 So yeah Bernie Sanders Just days after a New Hampshire poll showed Hillary Clinton slipping further behind Bernie Sanders in the vital early primary state, a fresh survey shows the Vermont senator narrowly edging ahead of her in Iowa as well. The Quinnipiac University poll shows Sanders leading Clinton 41-40 percent. The results are well within the margin of error and represent a virtual tie in the first-in-the-nation caucus state. But together, the polling in New Hampshire and Iowa indicates Clinton's front-runner status is now being challenged in the primary season's two lead-off contests. Bernie is an unapologetic socialist, i.e. he believes in the common ownership of the means of production. That's how far down the rabbit hole white liberals have fallen, that they're choosing someone who advocates for an utterly discredited ideology over a candidate who, besides being arrogant and entitled, is at least semi sane when it comes to economics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayyoth Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 I don't know what's going to happen. However, there may come a point when the Donald realizes he can't win. (If he thinks he will win, he will likely continue, as there is no greater prize than the Presidency) At that point, I think it likely he'll take some sort of buyout. Unless he's just trolling the GOP, in which case he'll make quite the mess. But I doubt that he is just in this for lulz. As for the what the buyout is? I don't know exactly, but I would really doubt it would be an appointment for Trump. He'd see being Vice President or a Secretary as a step down. Perhaps federal building funds, as he is a builder. He already influences politicians, so I"m sure he can find something he needs. Perhaps appointments for people he knows. Ambassadorships are commonly given to rich donors. What I find unlikely is that he wouldn't attempt to profit once it became clear he wasn't going to win. And an independent run is extremely likely to end in a victory for the Democrats, since their coalition is largely united. I'm not going to predict the Donald won't win the nomination. We've all seen countless pundits embarrass themselves declaring that it's about to happen. (Kristol, LOL) Here's Trump with Falon Now here's Jeb with Colbert One's a natural performer able to easily laugh at himself while still selling his message, the other's has a worrying liking for momma jeans. It's not even a contest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ugh already Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 - That PP receives money for baby organs is not in dispute. The questions being investigated are 1) Are they charging more than just to cover costs 2) are they altering the abortion procedure to preserve organs The real question being investigated is: How stupid do we want to look to the American people? The answer? Even more stupid than usual. And then we have the other side of the spectrum of Republicanism: So yeah Bernie Sanders Bernie is an unapologetic socialist, i.e. he believes in the common ownership of the means of production. That's how far down the rabbit hole white liberals have fallen, that they're choosing someone who advocates for an utterly discredited ideology over a candidate who, besides being arrogant and entitled, is at least semi sane when it comes to economics. Spiteful hate. With such powerful stupidity and hate combined, what can't Republicans look terrible doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fallen Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 So yeah Bernie Sanders Bernie is an unapologetic socialist, i.e. he believes in the common ownership of the means of production. That's how far down the rabbit hole white liberals have fallen, that they're choosing someone who advocates for an utterly discredited ideology over a candidate who, besides being arrogant and entitled, is at least semi sane when it comes to economics. When has Bernie Sanders advocated the common ownership of the means of production? He's a self-described socialist, although socialists outside of the US chuckle at that description. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerenthaClone Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 He is, more properly, a social democrat as opposed to a democratic socialist. He has not yet, to my knowledge, called for the seizure and reallocation of the means of all production. Hayyoth is just pearl-clutching. We could just as easily say that being devotees of free market capitalism is asinine and discredited, but somehow, that's the dominant economic paradigm in this fucked up country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liffguard Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Okay, I have to ask, though I suspect I'll regret doing so. What are "momma jeans?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
all swedes are racist Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Okay, I have to ask, though I suspect I'll regret doing so. What are "momma jeans?" Generally bland, unflattering, high-waisted jeans, such as an archetypical suburban middle aged mom would wear. Very norm-core. Maybe Hayyoth worrys Jeb is a crypto hipster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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