Battle of Slavers Bay in S6

[Protector of Stokeworth]

So I read about this today: careful, possibly spoilers!

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Second_siege_of_Meereen

Does anybody believe this could happen in Season 6?

[Zombies That Were Promised]

I doubt it, I have NO idea what the hell they are doing with the Meereen plot..

S3 Daenerys was my favorite storyline and I hate how boring it turned in s4 and s5.  It could've been a really interesting spin as all the different factions/people try to court her (Quentyn, Xaro, Quaithe, etc.) and she's entrapped in her city while enemy forces engulf and besiege her.  OTOH, the Harpy conspiracy just isn't doing it for me, they have to jump logic and be able to kill Unsullied en-masse to be depicted as a credible threat, but there are no tertiary characters cast in Meereen or screentime to give suspense to the Harpy insurrection.  I know what I suggest isn't feasible, either, since GoT isn't just the Dany show, but the illusion of tension IMO is more palatable.

Apparently they will have the pale mare or famine or something in s6 though.  The dragons' release is bound to happen as well.  Something serious will happen with the Harpies, but no Battle of Fire.

[The Fattest Leech]

Well, they killed Barristan, killed Hizzy, never traded hostages such as Daario and some of Dany's bloodriders, and never developed the Sons of the Harpy beyond hissing, masked ghouls, no Graces, no Brazen Beasts (not he TV SotH) and never developed any other high ranking Meereenese people.... so it appears that all will be good because Dany doesn't need to worry about those obstacles

Oh yes, the pale mare. It's a good thing we have Tyrion to the rescue. He did do a good job on getting the shitwater out of Kings Landing at one point. Maybe he will use those skills again???

Clearly Dany won't be in the city for an undetermined amount of time based on the spoiler pics that are floating around. It seems she may be away for quite a few episodes. I am not sure how Drogon will play in to her arc this year either. By now he is supposed to be bonded to her and comes when called.

If the dragons are released, and I hope they are, and there is no siege... just sickness or famine amongst the people... what part will they play in the story? I guess the SotH will still be around for an episode or three in S6. Still, dragons against the SotH and sickness seems like overkill.

I'm at a loss

 

[Channel4s-JonSnow]

I dont think it will happen, or certainly not the way it will in the book. The producers probably just see it as another battle which costs money to stage and is a little too complicated, with too many competing factions and groups to really explain in the limited time they have. The show tends to focus on individuals as opposed to groups and the story will be about Tyrion and Dany, and will be a lot more focussed.

 

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Well, they killed Barristan, killed Hizzy, never traded hostages such as Daario and some of Dany's bloodriders, and never developed the Sons of the Harpy beyond hissing, masked ghouls, no Graces, no Brazen Beasts (not he TV SotH) and never developed any other high ranking Meereenese people

Yeah the Meereen plot has been gutted to its absolute basics, with a lot cut out. But to be fair, it was hard an accessible storyline, and for much of its read time was pretty hard work to get through. But the fact that none of these elements are really in there suggests that they won't be developing that story much further.

I also think its highly likely Hizdar and Selmy are for the chop in the next book too, its just been moved forward.

 

[Scorpion92]

Yes, there will be siege of Mereen by Yunkish forces, because actor playing that Yunkish negotiator is coming back, there are reports of Tyrion and Varys walking around the city where Mereenese starve which means they are sieged by some outside force. Shae actress is coming back which means Tyrion is either hallucinating or having some flashback, and my money is on the hallucination. He is probably having some Stannis-in-Storm's-End-surrounded-by-enemies moment.

Plus, it will contrast how no one from Lannister family gave Tyrion props for saving King's Landing from Stannis' siege. This time around, I think Dany will be very grateful for Tyrion holding the city for her while she was away. If he is injured or something by siege maybe Dany will visit and thank him for his service and promise him Casterly Rock or something as her gratitude, I dunno.

[The Fattest Leech]

20 minutes ago, Scorpion92 said:

Yes, there will be siege of Mereen by Yunkish forces, because actor playing that Yunkish negotiator is coming back, there are reports of Tyrion and Varys walking around the city where Mereenese starve which means they are sieged by some outside force. Shae actress is coming back which means Tyrion is either hallucinating or having some flashback, and my money is on the hallucination. He is probably having some Stannis-in-Storm's-End-surrounded-by-enemies moment.

Plus, it will contrast how no one from Lannister family gave Tyrion props for saving King's Landing from Stannis' siege. This time around, I think Dany will be very grateful for Tyrion holding the city for her while she was away. If he is injured or something by siege maybe Dany will visit and thank him for his service and promise him Casterly Rock or something as her gratitude, I dunno.

I had not heard nor seen any Yunkish fighters or negotiators coming back. That's good cuz I have a hard time caring about Essos after S5 and most of ADWD. It still would have been nice to have a little few scraps thrown to us of actual Meereenese people instead if the same rag-tag team Dany unit. 

I saw Shae was appearing. I too think she will just be a vision that replaces "where do whores go?" 

[Scorpion92]

1 minute ago, The Fattest Leech said:

I had not heard nor seen any Yunkish fighters or negotiators coming back. That's good cuz I have a hard time caring about Essos after S5 and most of ADWD. It still would have been nice to have a little few scraps thrown to us of actual Meereenese people instead if the same rag-tag team Dang unit. 

I saw Shae was appearing. I too think she will just be a vision that replaces "where do whores go?" 

Yes, I think Tyrion's season 6 plot line would be him back at what he thinks he does best: cleaning out the city from the enemies (in this case anti-Dany forces), also managing the city during a siege. Basically what he was doing during season 2.

[Zombies That Were Promised]

Oh I forgot about Hizdahr and Daario's mission to Yunkai where they get them to agree to turn over power to a council of former slaves and owners.  I always doubted afterwards the Yunkai really caved in.  And plus Cleon of Astapor is canon, too.

It's all there, if the show chooses to go there.  With Dany MIA, the famine, and the Harpies inside - I can see just a smaller scale Yunkai siege.

[JonCon's Red Beard]

The War in Meereen is a very important part of the next book, as well as a very important part of many character's development.

So, no.

[Ruhail]

So if they've decided to do the mereen battle why did Barristan have to die?? 

[Cas Stark]

I don't care about the Battle of Meereen other than to see if GRRM can get himself out of the maze he created without a deus ex machina event.  Don't care about it in the show or the books.  Get her out of Essos already and end this madness.

[MakeThemBurn]

On 24.2.2016 at 11:44 PM, Ruhail said:

So if they've decided to do the mereen battle why did Barristan have to die?? 

To give Tyrion something to do. Basically, they gave him Barristan's entire post-Daznak's Pit storyline. It's understandable to a point, since Tyrion isn't doing anything in ADWD but it's also completely illogical. Everyone's just cool about giving a Lannister full control of Mereen and all of Dany's armed forces? Sure. Meanwhile Tyrion's character progression is thrown out of the window in order to repeat his s2 storyline and make the point across that he truly is the most intelligent person in the world who always knows what to do and thus completely unstoppable. Oh well, at least it isn't as bad as what they've done with Dany the emotionless Warrior Princess and Ms. Torture Porn Sansa.

 

As for the Battle of Slaver's Bay: something is bound to happen since Tyrion needs something to do. I don't care what since Tyrion is so intelligent and never makes mistakes so we know he's going to triumph no matter what happens. War in essos requires money and the show tends to go for one big battle a season, so I'd bet the budget is spent in Jon's storyline instead. Besides, does anyone really care about Mereen if the only characters inside the city are Tyrion and the not-so-interesting Missandey and Grey Worm? The audience isn't emotionally invested enough to excuse an expensive war scene. (This is why I wasn't that surprised with the shortness of Stannis vs Bolton's confrontation. People simply wouldn't have been interested in a long battle between the satanic Bolton's and daughter burning Stannis). The only way a war in Mereen would work is if they take the Lord of the Rings route and have Dany riding on the back of Drogon followed by her khalasar to crush the enemy. It would make a poignant scene but imo it would diminish the impact of Dany attacking Westeros. I think we shouldn't be allowed to see Drogon in all his glory until King's Landing. After all, that battle has been built up since s1 and it needs to make an impact.

[Channel4s-JonSnow]

I think Selmy is for the chop soon in the books anyway, the way its written he really does seem in a lot of peril and its hinting that his time is over. I think they just pushed it forward to add some drama, to what was essentially a pretty slow first few episodes. It wasn't great, but I think thats why they did it.

Plus, Tyrion is pretty much hovering around Meereen at this point in the books anyway, my guess is he will end up inside and have some position of power as well.

I agree that the audience isn't emotionally invested, but really they don't care about Meereen in general I feel. Mostly its always felt like a tedious distraction, an obstacle in Danys way. Having a major battle there would really be a big old 'meh' moment, as really the outcome wouldn't change much, pretty much bringing things back to the status quo. In what is essentially the bare bones of that plot line, much of the politics is removed, making the various factions involved in the war an unnecessary overcomplication.