CrypticWeirwood Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 15 minutes ago, Valhalla Morghulis said: Jon comes back from the dead, as does Benjen and the Hound seemingly, so now another one would just be a cliché too far for most show watchers and it wouldn't work and wouldn't have much impact. DD look to be rushing thru epis now to the final season so introducing her, and explaining to the many new show watchers who Catelyn was and what happened to her, as it was in season 3, will eat up too much time. Besides Jon and Benjen and Catelyn, don't forget all the other exiled, missing, or dead characters seemingly returned to us: Jaime, Gregor, Dany, Sansa, Bran, Rickon, Arya, Shae, Theon. It’s the "arc" theme of the season: Quaerendo invenietis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hol Horse Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 Could be completely wrong (like the people who said Jon SnuSnu and Sandor were never coming back, huehue), but I don't think she's that important. If she is coming back and you're a fan of hers, then I don't think you want these dudes to be affiliated with her, unless you're really into characters who butcher civilians for fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drayzen Posted June 8, 2016 Author Share Posted June 8, 2016 12 hours ago, Valhalla Morghulis said: Jon comes back from the dead, as does Benjen and the Hound seemingly, so now another one would just be a cliché too far for most show watchers and it wouldn't work and wouldn't have much impact. DD look to be rushing thru epis now to the final season so introducing her, and explaining to the many new show watchers who Catelyn was and what happened to her, as it was in season 3, will eat up too much time. Wait...are you insinuating that new show watchers just pick this show up where it is without watching previous seasons? Lmao. If that's the case they have a lot more problems than not knowing who LSH is if she comes back. They don't need to explain much at all. We all know who Beric and the BWoB are. We all know who killed Cat and who the Freys are. All the explanation the show would need is the resurrection which can be taken care of in a 5 minute scene. She could very well be a big part of the end game for all we know. Time will tell either way. There's just too much Tully/Frey/Red Wedding going on right now in this season for her not to be here. Edit: Also, Benjen and the hound were never dead. Jon was the only one killed on screen. Cat was killed on screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tianzi Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 1 hour ago, Drayzen said: Jon was the only one killed on screen. Cat was killed on screen. Yup. Never seen the body != dead. Actually, the biggest shocker so far would be Stannis who fell into 'never seen the body' category and did not come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticWeirwood Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 15 hours ago, Drayzen said: They don't need to explain much at all. We all know who Beric and the BWoB are. We all know who killed Cat and who the Freys are. All the explanation the show would need is the resurrection which can be taken care of in a 5 minute scene. She could very well be a big part of the end game for all we know. Time will tell either way. There's just too much Tully/Frey/Red Wedding going on right now in this season for her not to be here. Martin said that if he were the showrunners, he’d put a Bericked Cat in. After all, he did it the first time around. To say he’d put her in for the show, too, says that Cat has something important to do. And it isn't just hang her killers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsh Targeryen Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 I was told that they even the played the darker version of the soundtrack of the brienne swearing to catelyn, when the brother ray was hanging.. Another foreshadowing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticWeirwood Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 5 hours ago, Marsh Targeryen said: I was told that they even the played the darker version of the soundtrack of the brienne swearing to catelyn, when the brother ray was hanging.. Another foreshadowing? Absolutely. Having that particular theme music underscore the hanging scene is like putting up a giant neon sign flashing CAT WAS HERE. Oh, and she’s going to hang anybody she thinks deserves it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince of the North Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 1 hour ago, CrypticWeirwood said: Absolutely. Having that particular theme music underscore the hanging scene is like putting up a giant neon sign flashing CAT WAS HERE. Oh, and she’s going to hang anybody she thinks deserves it. Interesting about the music. If LS is actually going to be in the show, though, it does make one wonder why she would think Ray and his followers deserved to be slaughtered? Unless it was a rogue faction within the BWB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticWeirwood Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 19 minutes ago, Prince of the North said: Interesting about the music. If LS is actually going to be in the show, though, it does make one wonder why she would think Ray and his followers deserved to be slaughtered? Unless it was a rogue faction within the BWB? Ray loudly confessed to slitting a boy's throat in front of his mother as Lem was riding up. Cat's going to be touchy about that. They were harboring Sandor, the Lannister's dog. That's plenty to push Cat into having them all killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince of the North Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 Just now, CrypticWeirwood said: Ray loudly confessed slitting a boy's throat in front of his mother as Lem was riding up. Cat's going to be touchy about that. They were harboring Sandor, the Lannister's dog. That's going to be enough to to push Cat into having them all killed. Hmm...maybe. But there seems to be an awful lot of assumption necessary to make those the reasons. There was absolutely no indication Lem and company heard any of that. Also, there was absolutely no indication Lem and company recognized Sandor. I actually don't think LS is going to be in the show...but time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticWeirwood Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 1 minute ago, Prince of the North said: Hmm...maybe. But there seems to be an awful lot of assumption necessary to make those the reasons. There was absolutely no indication Lem and company heard any of that. Also, there was absolutely no indication Lem and company recognized Sandor. I doubt the writers would have had Ray tell that particular tale at that particular time unless it were relevant. Also, It looked to me like they gave Sandor a hard look. But we shall see, we shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince of the North Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 7 minutes ago, CrypticWeirwood said: I doubt the writers would have had Ray tell that particular tale at that particular time unless it were relevant. Also, It looked to me like they gave Sandor a hard look. But we shall see, we shall see. Yes, I think it was relevant but in a different way. I think it was basically Ray telling the audience how Sandor felt about Mycah and why he seems to have changed. But I completely agree. We don't really know for now and we shall see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drayzen Posted June 9, 2016 Author Share Posted June 9, 2016 8 hours ago, Marsh Targeryen said: I was told that they even the played the darker version of the soundtrack of the brienne swearing to catelyn, when the brother ray was hanging.. Another foreshadowing? Here are the links to youtube of the 2 scenes. Everyone can judge for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticWeirwood Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 8 minutes ago, Drayzen said: Here are the links to youtube of the 2 scenes. Everyone can judge for themselves. Brilliant! Thanks!!! I have goosebumps all over from hearing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticWeirwood Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 On June 9, 2016 at 0:43 PM, Drayzen said: Here are the links to youtube of the 2 scenes. Everyone can judge for themselves. The second one's darkness is closer the version played during Season 4’s “Oathkeeper”, where Brienne accepts the eponymous sword from Jaime and vows to fulfill her vow to Lady Catelyn. Family. Duty. Honor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Lyanna Mormont Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 So... Can we finally put this theory to rest? Also, the people who were saying that it was going to happen and who said otherwise were going to eat their words... Would you like some fries with your new order? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bran Snow Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 On 6/7/2016 at 8:57 AM, LStoneheart said: I swear even when she appears people like you wil still claim she is cut so where is LSH? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scabbard Of the Morning Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 On 6/7/2016 at 7:09 PM, CrypticWeirwood said: We shall remember your words today, and in the fullness of time feed them back to you with relish. Would you like Freys with your order, Ser, and Catsup? Yes, remember my words, and next time you'll do well to believe me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Lyanna Mormont Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 11 hours ago, Bran Snow said: so where is LSH? In the books! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bran Snow Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 11 minutes ago, Lady Lyanna Mormont said: In the books! Well played Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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