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1 minute ago, Newstar said:

Oh, I agree, as I've said, but this idea that Book Sansa hates or "despises" Tyrion and TV Sansa's appreciation of Tyrion's kindness is some sort of unforgivable violation of the source material is garbage.

I did not mean to give the impression that I thought Book Sansa hates or despises Tyrion.  As I said to begin with, I think she grew to understand him - but that's just about where her feelings stop.  And I actually quite like how they altered the Tyrion-Sansa relationship in the show.  It's a testament to how basic communication can reconcile seemingly intractable situational obstacles.  Frankly I wish Martin had more of it in the books.  So no, I certainly don't think it's an unforgivable violation of the source material.

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The wedding kneeling scene was changed because the lead up to it was very different. Almost all the people who discuss this seem to forget that Tyrion himself came to warn Sansa about the marriage, well before it went through. He could do so because Tywin acted openly on the show, but used an ambush (on the Tyrells and on Sansa) in the books (with Tyrion going along). The relation between Tyrion and Sansa, right before the wedding, was cordial on the show. In the books, the relationship was not only more distant, it was also coloured greatly by Tyrion keeping the info from her until five minutes before the ceremony. No wonder that book-Sansa wasn't in a kneeling mood. Show-Sansa was far more likely to show consideration for the feelings of her ally Tyrion.

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22 hours ago, UnmaskedLurker said:

@Jô Maltese -- Cool image of Tyrion breathing fire -- don't know that it means anything, but you know what I think about this issue, so no need to go into any detail.

Hi!!!!!

Yeah that's pretty cool of Tyrion breathing fire. :)

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On 9/2/2017 at 5:21 PM, Wouter said:

The wedding kneeling scene was changed because the lead up to it was very different. Almost all the people who discuss this seem to forget that Tyrion himself came to warn Sansa about the marriage, well before it went through. He could do so because Tywin acted openly on the show, but used an ambush (on the Tyrells and on Sansa) in the books (with Tyrion going along). The relation between Tyrion and Sansa, right before the wedding, was cordial on the show. In the books, the relationship was not only more distant, it was also coloured greatly by Tyrion keeping the info from her until five minutes before the ceremony. 

 The quote from the book:

"My lady, this is no way to bring you to your wedding. I am sorry for that. And for making this so sudden, and so secret. My lord father felt it necessary, for reasons of state. Else I would have come to you sooner, as I wished." He waddled closer. "You did not ask for this marriage, I know. No more than I did. If I had refused you, however, they would have wed you to my cousin Lancel. Perhaps you would prefer that. He is nearer your age, and fairer to look upon. If that is your wish, say so, and I will end this farce."

I think he's telling her the truth here. I know that's not always the case in Westeros. It's entirely reasonable that Tywin ordered him to not let anyone know, probably to stay a step ahead of the Tyrells. As for offering to let her choose Lancel instead, I think he was sincere. I think one of the reasons she didn't pick Lancel is that she remembered when he backed up Joffrey's assertion that Robb warged Grey Wind to murder their uncle. That was one of the times Joffrey had her humilated in front of the court. 

(I'm sorry this isn't formatted right. I've lurked for a long time but I'm 99% sure this is my first post.) 

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