The Targaryens and the wrongs done to them.

[Daenerysthegreat]

King Viserys was a child and Queen Rhaella was pregnant with Queen Daenerys, when they fled to Dragonstone to escape from the advancing armies of the Usurper.  

When they were at Dragonstone, The Lannister army arrived at the capital, feigning frendship. King Viserys and Queen Daenerys’s Father, having once fought alongside the Lannister head, Lord Tywin, in a previous war, allowed the Lannister Army inside the Capital. Within the Red keep were The Princess Elia, widow of their fallen brother, and his children, Three years old Princess Rhaenys and Prince Aegon, the new heir.

The Rebel Army, having butchered The Crown Prince in the hellish Battle of the Trident, was marching towards King’s Landing, under the command of Rebel lord Eddard stark, whose brother tried to murder Prince Rhaegar in the Red Keep, and was subsequently executed for treason after losing a trial of combat, in which the Champion was his father, who was killed by the royal champion. Both father and son died and Eddard Stark, vengeful, joined the rebels.

 The Lannister Army, once completely inside, revealed their true allegiance, they sided with the rebels. Not able to take the capital with force of arms, the Rebels took the city by treachery. 
 

The King was killed by being stabbed in the back by the only kingsguard remaining in the city, Lord Tywin’s son, who had sworn to defend the King with his life. 
 

Princess Rhaenys hiding under her father’s bed, hoping for protection from his dead spirit, was dragged out and stabbed a hundred times by the Lannister henchmen.

Princess Elia hid with Prince Aegon in the nursery. The door to the nursery was blasted open by the most evil of Lord Tywin’s henchmen, his Mad Dog, Gregor Clegane, who was rumoured to have scarred his own brother. The Monster snatched Prince Aegon from the  arms of the screaming Princess Elia, who asked to be killed instead, and smashed his head against the Wall. The Demon then raped Princess Elia before  murdering her as well.

 

 

[Terrorthatflapsinthenight9]

Nice list, but where is the one of the wrongs the Targaryens have done to others ?

[Terrorthatflapsinthenight9]

And Jaime killing Aerys is very hardly a wrong, it's in fact the best thing a member of the Kingsguard, or any knight, has ever done for the realm.

[AlaskanSandman]

5 minutes ago, Terrorthatflapsinthenight9 said:

And Jaime killing Aerys is very hardly a wrong, it's in fact the best thing a member of the Kingsguard, or any knight, has ever done for the realm.

Really? When the Others come and the Targaryen's aren't there to stop them potentially cause of Jamie's actions. Would the lives of a million, outweigh the lives of Westeros and Essos? The best thing, is a stretch of opinion based on one stance not looking the other direction for oncoming threats. 

 

Better the devil you know, than the devil you don't.

[Terrorthatflapsinthenight9]

3 minutes ago, AlaskanSandman said:

Really? When the Others come and the Targaryen's aren't there to stop them potentially cause of Jamie's actions. Would the lives of a million, outweigh the lives of Westeros and Essos? The best thing, is a stretch of opinion based on one stance not looking the other direction for oncoming threats. 

 

Better the devil you know, than the devil you don't.

Really, because the Targaryens were screwed anyway, by their own hand none-the-less, and that Jaime killing the man who caused the rebellion and many unnecessary deaths saved King's Landing and hundred of thousands of people from being burned to smithereens just to satisfy the madness of their king.

[AlaskanSandman]

11 minutes ago, Terrorthatflapsinthenight9 said:

Really, because the Targaryens were screwed anyway, by their own hand none-the-less, and that Jaime killing the man who caused the rebellion and many unnecessary deaths saved King's Landing and hundred of thousands of people from being burned to smithereens just to satisfy the madness of their king.

Really? Jamie knew what his father was intending. Jamie could have saved baby Aegon or taken a ship to Daenerys and held to his vows and saved the Targaryens. Saving or stopping Aerys wasn't his only option and his actions, though saving Kings Landing, risked the lives of all of Westeros and Essos. The only Targaryen left is in Essos fighting her way back to Westeros to save Jamie's stump handed arse and his "finest moment".

This is also assuming it wasn't Tywin orchestrating Aery's slow fall to begin with. Not responding to messages for aid from his king, then showing up ahead of Roberts army to sack K.L and try to take the throne even going so far as to place Lannister Banners everywhere. Yea, Jamies "finest hour".

Also, how did Aerys cause the Rebellion? Did Aerys kidnap Lyanna? Did I miss something?

I would add Jamie and Tywin's actions to the wrongs done upon House Targaryen. Not flaunt them as noble services to the realm. 

[Terrorthatflapsinthenight9]

32 minutes ago, AlaskanSandman said:

Really? Jamie knew what his father was intending. Jamie could have saved baby Aegon or taken a ship to Daenerys and held to his vows and saved the Targaryens. Saving or stopping Aerys wasn't his only option and his actions, though saving Kings Landing, risked the lives of all of Westeros and Essos. The only Targaryen left is in Essos fighting her way back to Westeros to save Jamie's stump handed arse and his "finest moment".

This is also assuming it wasn't Tywin orchestrating Aery's slow fall to begin with. Not responding to messages for aid from his king, then showing up ahead of Roberts army to sack K.L and try to take the throne even going so far as to place Lannister Banners everywhere. Yea, Jamies "finest hour".

Also, how did Aerys cause the Rebellion? Did Aerys kidnap Lyanna? Did I miss something?

I would add Jamie and Tywin's actions to the wrongs done upon House Targaryen. Not flaunt them as noble services to the realm. 

Jaime wasn't aware of his father's plans nor complicit in them. 

And he certainely couldn't get Aegon and/or Rhaenys on a ship while Lannister forces were sacking the city nor while Aerys was about to blow up King's Landing with Jaime and Rhaegar's children being about to be casualties of it.

And yes, Aerys is as much if not even more responsible for the rebellion happening than Rhaegar, Rhaegar did take Lyanna but it was Aerys who did nothing to correct Rhaegar's actions, sadistically murdered Brandon and Rickard Stark while breaking the feudal contract, as well as murdering Erbert Arryn, and calling for Ned and Robert's heads to Jon Arryn. Not counting his own responsability in Elia Martell and his own grandchildren's terrible fate.

So yes Jaime did both King's Landing and the world a favor by killing him.

[Daenerysthegreat]

58 minutes ago, Terrorthatflapsinthenight9 said:

Nice list, but where is the one of the wrongs the Targaryens have done to others ?

That’s a separate list. Also, What wrong did Elia do? Not letting the Demon of Clegane kill Aegon? Was Rhaenys’s fault that she hid under her fathers bed and did not come out? What was Aegon’s fault? 
 

What did rhaella do? She just followed and obeyed. What was dany’s fault? She wasn’t even born? What did Viserys do? Not running away from kings landing and surrendering to the rebels?

 

 All 6 of them were innocent. Rhaegar and Aerys may be at fault but these 6 Targaryens(the majority of the family) were innocent.

[Daenerysthegreat]

Queen Rhaella was barely a month pregnant when she heard of the murders of her husband, daughter and grandchildren. She had already lost her Eldest son at the Trident. She was alone at Dragonstone with a extremely small garrison and an underage king. The Targaryen army had been destroyed at the Trident, and the remaining forces were murdered at Kings landing. She was considered weak by almost every lord, ignoring her multiple talents, they also disliked a regency. The Baratheons would soon come for her and her son to murder both of them,along with the child in her womb,to legitimise their criminal rule.

Regardless of all the hurdles, Queen Rhaella was determined to defend her son’s right to the throne where her ancestors had sat before, she crowned her son King Viserys III at Dragonstone. 
 

At Kings landing, the rebels had shown themselves to be as treacherous to each other as to their liege Lords. The Usurper, the Demon on the Trident, who had killed Prince Rhaegar over a dispute, sat on a chair where men like The Conqueror, The Young Dragon and Daeron the Good had sat, ruling over a court divided between the Stark and Lannister factions. Eddard Stark would soon depart for cold Winterfell  while Lord Tywin married his daughter, a haughty and murderous woman, to the Usurper.

The Usurper sent his brother, who had till then been checked by the Tyrell Army, to murder the last Targaryens. They built a fleet and a huge naval battle seemed to be destined.

Almost 8 months after the usurpation, there was a titanic storm on Dragonstone. On the same day, Queen Rhaella gave birth to a daughter, The Princess Daenerys, as the skies screamed and the Royal Fleet was destroyed.  Queen Rhaella died, presumably from exhaustion, and grief.

 

 

 

[AlaskanSandman]

42 minutes ago, Terrorthatflapsinthenight9 said:

Jaime wasn't aware of his father's plans nor complicit in them. 

And he certainely couldn't get Aegon and/or Rhaenys on a ship while Lannister forces were sacking the city nor while Aerys was about to blow up King's Landing with Jaime and Rhaegar's children being about to be casualties of it.

And yes, Aerys is as much if not even more responsible for the rebellion happening than Rhaegar, Rhaegar did take Lyanna but it was Aerys who did nothing to correct Rhaegar's actions, sadistically murdered Brandon and Rickard Stark while breaking the feudal contract, as well as murdering Erbert Arryn, and calling for Ned and Robert's heads to Jon Arryn. Not counting his own responsability in Elia Martell and his own grandchildren's terrible fate.

So yes Jaime did both King's Landing and the world a favor by killing him.

Didn't Jamie tell Aerys not to trust his father? Only to be overruled by Pycelle or Varys? I would say that Jamie knew full well that his father was there to sack K.L.

Which, I guess its better to have a bunch of Lannisters come in and kill a bunch of people and rape them? Because Lannisters claim Aerys was going to burn the city down. Reliable sources, since they wanted the throne. It would be convenient then for the Lannisters that their pre-emptive strike on the Targaryens and K.L. was so fortuitous, allowing them to be viewed in a positive rather than a negative light. History is told by the victors after all, and their word can always be trusted.  

[AlaskanSandman]

Just a theory, but I would add most all slander from Robert Rebellion of House Targaryen as slights against them.

1. I think Rhaegar didn't take Lyanna or at least not in the manner reported by some mysterious person, I think was a Lannister or Tyrell man.

2. The plan to burn K.L. as the pots found have fruit on them rather than a dragon symbol. Indicating Tyrell's through Olenna and her House the Redwynes. Id bet the fruit on the pots were grapes. "Grapes of Wrath" from a vengeful Olenna and Mace for their spurned Targaryen marriages. Who are working with Tywin who also has spurned Targaryen marriage alliances he's gnawing on.

 

[Daenerysthegreat]

42 minutes ago, AlaskanSandman said:

Just a theory, but I would add most all slander from Robert Rebellion of House Targaryen as slights against them.

1. I think Rhaegar didn't take Lyanna or at least not in the manner reported by some mysterious person, I think was a Lannister or Tyrell man.

2. The plan to burn K.L. as the pots found have fruit on them rather than a dragon symbol. Indicating Tyrell's through Olenna and her House the Redwynes. Id bet the fruit on the pots were grapes. "Grapes of Wrath" from a vengeful Olenna and Mace for their spurned Targaryen marriages. Who are working with Tywin who also has spurned Targaryen marriage alliances he's gnawing on.

 

The Second theory seems a bit unlikely but the first theory is perfectly possible 

[Craving Peaches]

5 hours ago, Daenerysthegreat said:

The Rebel Army, having butchered The Crown Prince in the hellish Battle of the Trident

Rhaegar wasn't butchered. He chose to fight and lost. He would have done the same to Robert if he were the better warrior. But he wasn't. And it's Rhaegar's fault the royalists lost the battle too. He squandered his superior position for no good reason.

[Craving Peaches]

4 hours ago, Daenerysthegreat said:

subsequently executed for treason after losing a trial of combat

A joke of a trial.

[The Commentator]

More will be revealed about the causes of the rebellion. I expect the Starks, Baratheons, Tullys, and Arryns were plotting against the Targaryens. Some of the maesters may have helped. I also expect that we will be told of the Grand Maesters poisoning and driving the Targaryen kings into infertility and craziness.  
 

Jaime is an evil man. He murdered his king. The king he should have championed in a trial by combat. The king he should have taken to safety through the hidden tunnels that exists. The Sack was an act of evil. Gregor is now getting the punishment he deserves for what he did to the children and Elia. Prince Viserys was the heir but that does not lessen Gregor’s crime. And yes, the commanding officer is partly responsible for the conduct of his men. Doran hated Tywin for that reason. 

[Jon Fossoway]

5 hours ago, Daenerysthegreat said:

 

 The Lannister Army, once completely inside, revealed their true allegiance, they sided with the rebels. Not able to take the capital with force of arms, the Rebels took the city by treachery. 

 

 

I don't quite recall the rebel army trying to take King's Landing by force, and the Lannister army was let through the gates. 

[Daenerysthegreat]

19 minutes ago, Jon Fossoway said:

I don't quite recall the rebel army trying to take King's Landing by force, and the Lannister army was let through the gates. 

Exactly they took the city by treachery after being let through the gates, they betrayed the Targaryens 

[Craving Peaches]

1 hour ago, The Commentator said:

I expect the Starks, Baratheons, Tullys, and Arryns were plotting against the Targaryens.

Maybe the Tullys and the Starks at a stretch, but I really doubt Robert was plotting against anyone. And Jon Arryn was too obsessed with honour to do something like that.

1 hour ago, The Commentator said:

Jaime is an evil man. He murdered his king. The king he should have championed in a trial by combat. The king he should have taken to safety through the hidden tunnels that exists.

The king was trying to blow up the capital and in doing so kill half a million innocent people...He couldn't have taken him to safety because Aerys wanted to use the whole city as his funeral pyre.

[BalerionTheCat]

3 hours ago, The Commentator said:

Jaime is an evil man. He murdered his king

Jaime had to kill Aerys on the spot. Because the palace was full of assholes like Rossart. Ready to burn King Lading at the king's order. Just for any reward. Jaime could not hold the king prisoner or whatever.

[King_Hodor_the_Short]

10 hours ago, AlaskanSandman said:

Really? When the Others come and the Targaryen's aren't there to stop them potentially cause of Jamie's actions. Would the lives of a million, outweigh the lives of Westeros and Essos? The best thing, is a stretch of opinion based on one stance not looking the other direction for oncoming threats. 

 

Better the devil you know, than the devil you don't.

Why would you assume they would know of this supposed Aegon prophecy let alone be able to stop the Others. Their dragons are lone dead