Shade of the Evening Post 1st Edition

[LongRider]

23 minutes ago, Nevets said:

He told Brienne as well, that the Arya with the Boltons was fake and not to go chasing after her.  The real question, of course, is whether anyone up North, besides the Boltons, knows.

That's interesting because we have two different arcs playing the hidden identity game and both associated with Littlefinger.  In the Alayne chapters, she wonders if Myranda knows or suspects she's Sansa and feels that way about Bronze Yohn Royce too.  Also, Theon felt that some of the folks at WF for the wedding knew, or suspected, that the bride Arya was not the real Arya.  With Stannis having captured Theon and Jeyne, he knows now as well.  

Well, well Littlefinger, little fires everywhere, all around you.  May they burst into flames, sooner rather than later.  

 

[Curled Finger]

"I don't want to leav

7 minutes ago, Hugorfonics said:

How long was she in the kitchen for? Iirc it wasn't long at all and then she works for Lollys and later Sansa.

Also what money? And run where? Back to her father so she can raped? She got lucky that thousands of men with food and stuff were marching across the Riverlands and followed that camp. Now she's safe in a castle (and if you wanna believe, which why the hell not, on the right arm of a great man, the hand of the king, her giant of a Lannister) why go back outside? Plus she's a stupid kid, what 18 year old thinks rationally?

"I don't want to leave. You promised you'd move me into a manse again after the battle."  ASOS Tyrion II

She wasn't in the kitchens long.  Above is just one of many of Tyrion's plans for ridding himself of Shae.  After this he wonders if he can arrange a marriage between Shae and Bronn or some dude named Ser Tallad or if perhaps he can secure her a place in Chataya's Palace of Delights.   I have to go back into ACOK to find the rest and will if you need the quotes.  Tyrion had no intention of leaving her high and dry.  She had no intention of leaving at all.  

[Hugorfonics]

3 minutes ago, LongRider said:

That's interesting because we have two different arcs playing the hidden identity game and both associated with Littlefinger.  In the Alayne chapters, she wonders if Myranda knows or suspects she's Sansa and feels that way about Bronze Yohn Royce too.  Also, Theon felt that some of the folks at WF for the wedding knew, or suspected, that the bride Arya was not the real Arya.  With Stannis having captured Theon and Jeyne, he knows now as well.  

Well, well Littlefinger, little fires everywhere, all around you.  May they burst into flames, sooner rather than later.  

 

He's such an idiot, I think, or like a genius. There is no middle ground. The war of three queens, so Sansa's one, is the other Jeyne?

Sansa complained about the noise, Cersei asked why Jeyne is still a thing and Petyr asked if he can have her.  (Why? This is post Arya is gone, but we're talking like half an hour of no Arya too). Petyr keeps her in KL but doesn't mention her to Cersei or Tyrion yet when Tywin comes about, there's a Jeyne waiting at the front door. RW ensues/ Petyr rescues/kidnaps Sansa and Bolton is top dog now, so one he's clearly guilty of treason and such but Bolton Jr is married to Arya! So if the stories of Ramsay spread which they will, and the sudden appearance of Mrs Arya Bolton news also spreads, which it will. What'll Sansa do? And what will she do when she finds out it's not her annoying sister but her friend? 

What the fuck was Littlefinger thinking?

[Nevets]

8 minutes ago, LongRider said:

That's interesting because we have two different arcs playing the hidden identity game and both associated with Littlefinger.  In the Alayne chapters, she wonders if Myranda knows or suspects she's Sansa and feels that way about Bronze Yohn Royce too.  Also, Theon felt that some of the folks at WF for the wedding knew, or suspected, that the bride Arya was not the real Arya.  With Stannis having captured Theon and Jeyne, he knows now as well.  

Well, well Littlefinger, little fires everywhere, all around you.  May they burst into flames, sooner rather than later.  

 

Stannis doesn't know anything.  Theon's not saying anything, and neither is Jeyne.  In fact, Theon advises Jeyne to keep being Arya.

As for those inside Winterfell, they may suspect she could be fake, but can't know for sure.  Arya has been gone too long for anyone to make a positive ID unless they knew her well, and those people are dead or at the Dreadfort for the most part.

I expect she will cause trouble for Littlefinger.  The whip marks on her back have to pay off sometime, and all clues lead to him.

[Hugorfonics]

3 minutes ago, Curled Finger said:

"I don't want to leave. You promised you'd move me into a manse again after the battle."  ASOS Tyrion II

She wasn't in the kitchens long.  Above is just one of many of Tyrion's plans for ridding himself of Shae.  After this he wonders if he can arrange a marriage between Shae and Bronn or some dude named Ser Tallad or if perhaps he can secure her a place in Chataya's Palace of Delights.   I have to go back into ACOK to find the rest and will if you need the quotes.  Tyrion had no intention of leaving her high and dry.  She had no intention of leaving at all.  

Nah it's ok, I know what your talking about. 

Yeah, so is it Shae manipulating Tyrion or is it they just don't wanna leave each other? 

Like he wants to keep her safe but he also doesn't want to give her away, cuz of feelings 

And for her, yea she could follow Tyrions orders but wheres the safety in that? Bronns weird, and who the hell is Tallad? The Imp though is an impressive fellow, and he shares his political plans with her sometimes so she knows he's impressive and thinks he can keep her safe. It's either that or feelings. 

(Or I guess some convoluted theory where she's a Blackfyre supporter or whatever)

[Hugorfonics]

5 minutes ago, Nevets said:

The whip marks on her back have to pay off sometime, and all clues lead to him.

Ramsay?

[Nevets]

2 minutes ago, Hugorfonics said:

Ramsay?

Littlefinger.  Theon mentioned seeing old whip marks on her back on the wedding night.  The clear implication is that they're from her time with Littlefinger.

[Nevets]

15 minutes ago, Hugorfonics said:

He's such an idiot, I think, or like a genius. There is no middle ground. The war of three queens, so Sansa's one, is the other Jeyne?

Sansa complained about the noise, Cersei asked why Jeyne is still a thing and Petyr asked if he can have her.  (Why? This is post Arya is gone, but we're talking like half an hour of no Arya too). Petyr keeps her in KL but doesn't mention her to Cersei or Tyrion yet when Tywin comes about, there's a Jeyne waiting at the front door. RW ensues/ Petyr rescues/kidnaps Sansa and Bolton is top dog now, so one he's clearly guilty of treason and such but Bolton Jr is married to Arya! So if the stories of Ramsay spread which they will, and the sudden appearance of Mrs Arya Bolton news also spreads, which it will. What'll Sansa do? And what will she do when she finds out it's not her annoying sister but her friend? 

What the fuck was Littlefinger thinking?

Arya had been gone for three days, so they knew she wasn't coming back.  Petyr didn't so much ask for Jeyne as he offered to take her off their hands.  Jeyne shows up for Tywin only when Roose changes sides.

As I suggested above, I suspect Myranda will mention Ramsay's marriage to Arya.  Littlefinger may mention it's Jeyne Poole, or may deny all knowledge.  I suspect one reason Sansa hasn't asked about Jeyne is because she is afraid to hear the answer: a lie or something bad.

[LongRider]

18 minutes ago, Hugorfonics said:

! So if the stories of Ramsay spread which they will, and the sudden appearance of Mrs Arya Bolton news also spreads, which it will. What'll Sansa do? And what will she do when she finds out it's not her annoying sister but her friend? 

It’s not a secret though, an announcement about the wedding was sent to Jon at Wall.   North knows that Ramsay Bolton wed Arya Stark and many went to the wedding. 
I hope Stannis finds out that the Arya he has isn’t the real Arya, or Theon spills the beans. 

[Curled Finger]

I can't wait to see this blow up in his face.  This is going to be very interesting when Sansa finds out her sister is alive and at Winterfell as I doubt the whole story will reach her regarding escape and Stannis and all that.  Will she want to go?  Will she write?  She hasn't written to Jon and she could have at any time.  I made a big deal about Sansa subverting herself but the Alayne chapter nearly opens with her thinking about Ned as her father.  Yes, I've been doing some rereading lately.  

Sansa is deep undercover.  Her life depends on staying that way for a while yet.  Little Finger says she will have a coming out party soon though I'm unsure why exactly or what needs take place in order for that to happen.  Nothing is easily guessed with Little Finger.  

[Hugorfonics]

1 minute ago, Nevets said:

Petyr didn't so much ask for Jeyne as he offered to take her off their hands

But why? 

It's not absurd I think to suggest he was already plotting on Sansa, although it is a bit much. But fArya?

I suppose it's just an acorn but if it mixes with the Sansa plot it becomes nonsensical.

3 minutes ago, Nevets said:

As I suggested above, I suspect Myranda will mention Ramsay's marriage to Arya.  Littlefinger may mention it's Jeyne Poole, or may deny all knowledge.  I suspect one reason Sansa hasn't asked about Jeyne is because she is afraid to hear the answer: a lie or something bad.

She's just not the greatest person lol. She doesn't ask about Arya either.

But she's certainly not the worst person. So if you give a decent person an army, which is the plan, then what does he expect her to do when he finds out that whomever is getting Ramsayed! 

3 minutes ago, LongRider said:

It’s not a secret though, an announcement about the wedding was sent to Jon at Wall.   North knows that Ramsay Bolton wed Arya Stark and many went to the wedding. 
I hope Stannis finds out that the Arya he has isn’t the real Arya, or Theon spills the beans. 

Nah I want her to stay lying lol. I like the confusion.

[Curled Finger]

7 minutes ago, LongRider said:

I hope Stannis finds out that the Arya he has isn’t the real Arya, or Theon spills the beans. 

Why?  Who does this help? Just curious.  I never thought about Jeyne coming clean on her real identity. 

[Curled Finger]

7 minutes ago, Hugorfonics said:

But why? 

It's not absurd I think to suggest he was already plotting on Sansa, although it is a bit much. But fArya?

I suppose it's just an acorn but if it mixes with the Sansa plot it becomes nonsensical.

She's just not the greatest person lol. She doesn't ask about Arya either.

But she's certainly not the worst person. So if you give a decent person an army, which is the plan, then what does he expect her to do when he finds out that whomever is getting Ramsayed! 

 

I would think that a young northern girl would be great for Little Finger's brothel business.  Wouldn't that be sort of exotic offerings in Kings Landing?  I'm not sure what Sansa can do for Arya or anyone she thinks may be Arya, but I think the thought of Arya could light a fire in her.  Not armies and all that, but really stir a longing for home in Sansa, change her somehow.  Perhaps make her amenable to a big goofy blonde chick with a little boy and older knight who come looking for her?  Something.  Then she gets the story this is not really Arya and she's gone any way, but your Mom, on the other hand...This could be a lot of fun.  Can't wait to see where Martin takes it.  

[Hugorfonics]

13 minutes ago, Curled Finger said:

I would think that a young northern girl would be great for Little Finger's brothel business.  Wouldn't that be sort of exotic offerings in Kings Landing?

Idk it's so perverse. And Pete is perverse but in a different way lol. That LF is a pimp first is mainly I think an HBO thing, because that show was basically just an expensive porno.

15 minutes ago, Curled Finger said:

I'm not sure what Sansa can do for Arya or anyone she thinks may be Arya, but I think the thought of Arya could light a fire in her.  Not armies and all that, but really stir a longing for home in Sansa, change her somehow. 

She's always had that. For example at the first drop of snow she builds a Winterfell. But yea armies and all that. I mean that's how affc ends, with Petyr promising Sansa a war. With soldiers and everything.

17 minutes ago, Curled Finger said:

Perhaps make her amenable to a big goofy blonde chick with a little boy and older knight who come looking for her?

A one handed knight? That'd actually be great. How have they never interacted?

But Brienne comes to Sansa and Petyr will just tell her to get lost. 

18 minutes ago, Curled Finger said:

Then she gets the story this is not really Arya and she's gone any way, but your Mom, on the other hand...This could be a lot of fun.  Can't wait to see where Martin takes it.  

Definitely fun, and while I totally see this child running into mommies arms cuz, of course, when she finds out it's not Arya but Jeyne, who Sansa kinda threw out, that's where's she's gotta be headed.  Cuz she's in need.

Speaking of fun and Cat and Sansa and fArya. 

Why do we believe Dany and not Young Griff? Could it be because Dany has the correct hair color? Or the correct pet? Or not hanging out with liars?

Does Sansa have the correct hair color? Correct pet? Hanging out with the honest? If Stoneheart rightly believes that fArya is a fools chase then why would she be convinced about fSansa?(Alaynes? What a name! If she called herself Cat like she wanted to then that'd be an ice breaker, but of course Petyr likes it neat)

[Nevets]

28 minutes ago, Curled Finger said:

I would think that a young northern girl would be great for Little Finger's brothel business.  Wouldn't that be sort of exotic offerings in Kings Landing?  I'm not sure what Sansa can do for Arya or anyone she thinks may be Arya, but I think the thought of Arya could light a fire in her.  Not armies and all that, but really stir a longing for home in Sansa, change her somehow.  Perhaps make her amenable to a big goofy blonde chick with a little boy and older knight who come looking for her?  Something.  Then she gets the story this is not really Arya and she's gone any way, but your Mom, on the other hand...This could be a lot of fun.  Can't wait to see where Martin takes it.  

I suspect that any interest Baelish had in Jeyne for his brothel would be based on her age, not her heritage.  11/12-year-olds are hard to come by, if you're into that sort of thing so paying customers should be available.  

If Littlefinger has been hiding news of Arya's marriage, I suspect Sansa would not be happy,and might start wondering what else he is hiding.

Brienne's arrival could be interesting.  It's worth noting Sansa knows Podrick and would recognize either Jaime or Sandor.  I tend to link Brienne to Arya, but I can imagine Brienne showing up with two squires.  In any case, that would probably take a while.  Sansa is going to need time to figure out what Littlefinger is, and was, up to and what to do about it.  And I think she'll need to do it on her own.

[LongRider]

34 minutes ago, Curled Finger said:

Why?  Who does this help? Just curious.  I never thought about Jeyne coming clean on her real identity. 

Don’t think about who it could help, but who it could hurt.   The Boltons and Littlefinger.  Evil grin      

Works for me. 

[Nevets]

4 minutes ago, LongRider said:

Don’t think about who it could help, but who it could hurt.   The Boltons and Littlefinger.  Evil grin      

Works for me. 

Won't happen.  Theon and Jeyne are both determined to keep it a secret.  Besides, it could hurt Jeyne if it came out, and I've got a soft spot for the poor kid.

[LongRider]

It’s not a secret though, and it will come out. 

[Nevets]

13 minutes ago, LongRider said:

It’s not a secret though, and it will come out. 

From where?  The Boltons won't say anything.  The most anyone in Winterfell might be able to say is that she looks a bit more like Sansa's companion than like Arya, but can't be certain.  Arya and Jeyne have been gone almost three years.  Nobody that doesn't know them well will be able to give positive ID.  

In any case, Stannis has sent her to Jon at Castle Black.  So even if he is suspicious, he'll just let Jon deal with it.  Of course Jon can't, so she'll probably continue on to Braavos.

[LongRider]

Who? You told me; Jamie and Breinne.  Plus news of fArya’s escape will come out.  Not right away with the blizzard at WF, but it will.  People talk, as has been said before; someone always tells.