More police fun

[lessthanluke]

For some strange reason, when Tormund complains about the police, it just makes me wonder about him a little more than I do now.

Does he ever post anything other than bitching about the police?

[Tears of Lys]

Does he ever post anything other than bitching about the police?

To be fair, he does post about carrying weapons now and again.

[Tormund Ukrainesbane]

For some strange reason, when Tormund complains about the police, it just makes me wonder about him a little more than I do now.

Tormund's life is an open book. Ask and ye shall receive. :)

Does he ever post anything other than bitching about the police?

It's just my topic de jure. I also enjoy politics, economics, humor, and long walks on the beach.

[Ixodes]

It's just my topic de jure. I also enjoy politics, economics, humor, and long walks on the beach.

You mean you like more than just pina coladas and getting caught in the rain?

Your passion regarding individual liberty makes your posts consistently interesting.

[Tormund Ukrainesbane]

You mean you like more than just pina coladas and getting caught in the rain?

Actually I kind of hate pina coladas, and rain.

Your passion regarding individual liberty makes your posts consistently interesting.

Interesting = code for "lets see what the crazy bastard will spout off next" :P

[Lord Mord]

To summarize what I have found here ... The very idea of the institution of the police force is a problem in and of itself. No one disputes their work is made virtually impossible by the nature of the law and its tendency to protect criminals, both real and alleged. No one disputes the fierce imperative for each officer to trust the other, which in turn may require a selective retrospective interpretation of events -- that hypercriticism in the name of presumption of innocence will breed suspicion and contempt, which will be destructive to the overall efficacy of the institution anyway.

Few if any here dispute the vast list of crimes committed by the police which Tormund and others regularly post here are, in fact, crimes, and even where they are not explicitly criminal, are at the very fucking least tragedies.

No one disputes that IAB and the DA's office, for all that they frustrate the attempts of genuinely conscientious officers in doing their job, nevertheless are fairly incompetent at nailing, or are even in collusion in protecting really evil people in the force.

Therefore, for the sake of efficacy the institution requires the very qualities which permit to thrive, or even encourage the very elements we all agree perpetrate and perpetuate criminal and tyrannical activity, including such evils as assault, theft, rape, false imprisonment, and from time time, murder.

In order to protect freedom, we must sacrifice it entirely to these ... well, thugs.

Have I missed something? I mean, I have no doubt everyone would like to believe in some kind of middle territory, in theory it should exist in a vast swath, and yet nobody's actually detailing, or even frankly attempting to detail what that kind of markers are there by which to find it. It appears that only the extremes exist, of permitting the status quo or of eliminating the entire notion of any standing paramilitary enforcement body at all. I mean, Jesus, is it any wonder that anyone tires of these discussions?

[Tormund Ukrainesbane]

Therefore, for the sake of efficacy the institution requires the very qualities which permit to thrive, or even encourage the very elements we all agree perpetrate and perpetuate criminal and tyrannical activity, including such evils as assault, theft, rape, false imprisonment, and from time time, murder.

I get that police are going to cover for each other, and even feel that it's necessary to do so in order to do their jobs. I disagree vehemently, and feel that it taints all who participate with evil, but I get it.

I would be (somewhat) satisfied, that when it does come to light, that the same standard of justice is applied to police as to the rest of us. If a police officer beats a woman in the face with a pistol, and the police department decides not to take action...who the fuck cares? If I did the same and my company decided that I beat her in accordance with company policy, bet your ass that a judge would have a warrant out within the hour anyway.

Why is it that a District Attorney does not have the power to bring the cop up on charges? Why is it left in the hands of the other cops? And if it is simply that the DA's are refusing to do so, then let this thread serve as a call to the folks reading to get some new DA's elected who will refuse to prtend that the police are a better brand of citizen (and they are fellow citizens, not anything else)

[The Iceman of the North]

No one disputes their work is made virtually impossible by the nature of the law and its tendency to protect criminals, both real and alleged.

What kind of crap statement is this?

[IheartTesla]

Dont worry Tormund, I got your back (on this one issue only, and that too under many constraints)

More police fun!:

A second black Harvard professor accused the Cambridge police of racism yesterday in wrongfully arresting him outside his home nearly three years ago.

Counter’s attorney, Ozell Hudson Jr., told the Globe yesterday that Counter is considering his legal options over the manner he says he was treated after he complied with a request to step outside his house in December 2006 when police arrived to investigate a call by his former wife. She reported to police that Counter had tried to push their teenage daughter out of a moving car during an argument.

Counter collapsed at the police station because of a heart condition and was transported to Cambridge Hospital, where he said he was handcuffed to a hospital bed all night while a police officer stood guard in his room. He was ultimately acquitted of the assault and battery charges during an October 2007 trial.

Ahh, Cambridge police. Glad I never had to deal with you when I was living there.

[OldLordPlumm]

And more police fun

Fuck these cops.

[Angalin]

And more police fun

What I don't understand about this story is why it was the NZ internal affairs censorship compliance unit who began the investigation, rather than a police child sex unit.

[OldLordPlumm]

What I don't understand about this story is why it was the NZ internal affairs censorship compliance unit who began the investigation, rather than a police child sex unit.

The NZ police deal with contact offences while the internal affairs compliance unit deals with the child pornography.

[Angalin]

The NZ police deal with contact offences while the internal affairs compliance unit deals with the child pornography.

Could you define contact offences for me, please? Is this a difference between physical and electronic-transmitted offences?

[OldLordPlumm]

Could you define contact offences for me, please? Is this a difference between physical and electronic-transmitted offences?

Yes.

[Tormund Ukrainesbane]

This has got to be the best one of these stories yet.

Cop gets drunk, drives around, finds random guy on the street, beats him up, then shoots him.

The judge in the case:

Judge Manning said what he did was "inappropriate, imprudent and ill-advised," but not criminal.

W

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[Ser Scot A Ellison]

Tormund,

Yup, this guy belongs in jail. The judge is an idiot.

[Atreides]

That's fucking ridiculous.

[Tormund Ukrainesbane]

Thread necromancy because Tormund is beside himself over this case.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/03/21/35070.htm

SALT LAKE CITY (CN) - Police officers responded to a family's complaint that their diabetic son may have been in danger from driving without taking his medicine by running him off the road into an interstate highway median and shooting him to death, the family says.

Joey Tucker's father, Perry Tucker, and his fiancée Brieanne Matson say they were "concerned about his health" when they called Salt Lake City Police. Joey Tucker had not taken his diabetes medication and "had possibly taken a sleeping pill," according to the federal complaint.

The family claims a Highway Patrol trooper rammed Tucker's pickup into a concrete barrier as Tucker drove on Interstate 80, then Salt Lake Police Officer Louis "Law" Jones shot him to death while he "was simply sitting," all of which was recorded on officers' dashboard cameras...

...After the use of unreasonable excessive deadly force, Officer Jones was not terminated or reprimanded by Salt Lake City Corporation.

NEVER call the police. It's like setting your house on fire to get rid of a spider.

[Gear]

Thread necromancy because Tormund is beside himself over this case.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/03/21/35070.htm

NEVER call the police. It's like setting your house on fire to get rid of a spider.

Not sure if you read this guy or not Tormund, but since this seems to be one of your favorite topics I'd recommend reading Radley Balko. I don't always agree with everything he writes, but he certainly keeps up to date on abuses by the powers that be.

[The Iceman of the North]

Here's a link for Tormund to show that it's just not the US police...

Five Brazilian police officers have been arrested after television stations broadcast a video in which some of them appear to shoot a 14-year-old-boy.