Linda Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 We use Google Analytics to track the performance of the site. Or rather, we used to use Google Analytics to track the performance of asoiaf.westeros.org and www.westeros.org, but not awoiaf.westeros.org. I sort of assumed the traffic was a lot less...Anyway, I decided to go ahead and get the wiki tracked as well. So far, results are limited, but for the period of June 1st to June 4th, the wiki is getting _more_ traffic than the forum. A huge amount of hits on character pages.So, it clearly deserves a lot more attention than it has gotten so far. Precisely what we need to focus on and how to do it, I don't yet know, but its definitely a very, very popular resource. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scafloc Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 This is great to hear Linda. It gives us extra motivation to continue working on the wiki. I would like to do more on the design on the wiki, more images and different background and so. Ran told that you wanted to do the background. How is that going? Do you need help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linda Posted June 5, 2011 Author Share Posted June 5, 2011 So far, we haven't had any time at all to look at how the wiki skin works, but maybe we can poke at it a little today. Basically, right now I don't know at all what can be done. There seems to be a complete lack of good skinning resources that explain how to do it with the Vector skin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scafloc Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 Isn't it the MediaWiki:Common.css that has to be changed? I read a bit about this at Wikia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linda Posted June 5, 2011 Author Share Posted June 5, 2011 I would imagine so, yes. But its very different from the webpages I am used to doing, so its a lot of trying to understand how the page is put together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evrach Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 Good news :)It's the same our side, LGDN's wiki is far more visited than the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackTalon Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Not very surprising with the huge number of HBO people watching the show without having read the books....they must be struggling to keep up with the huge cast. I bet the numbers were different before the show started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scafloc Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 I would imagine so, yes. But its very different from the webpages I am used to doing, so its a lot of trying to understand how the page is put together.I have read a number of websites about this and I think I have a general idea how it works. I have tried it out onmy personal skin: as background a map of Westeros, using monofont corsiva for headings and a few changes in the side bar. But now the question is what to design? I like the main page of the Tolkien gateway wiki. I would like to try something like that but I think it should include some kind of symbols of A Song of Ice and Fire,dragons maybe but the image has to be one we are allowed to use (preferably under the GNU licence) and it should fit in the top bar and / or side bar.Anybody ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Anti-Targ Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 I'm not really surprised. If I was looking for structured and reliable information about ASOIAF I would go to the Wiki. Especially as a viewer of the TV series without being a reader of the books the Wiki would seem to be the common sense place to go.Great news though. It's a good resource. Well done to the dedicated folk who contribute their valuable time and effort to making it what it is, and are dedicated to its continued development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 IPB Wiki bridge still broken in some ways, so we're not able to give out all the permissions (even to ourselves) to carry out some design things. Once that gets sorted, Linda and I will be sorting out the skin to keep it in the same style as the rest of Westeros.org, and I guess once we have that broader template set down, we will be able to call for assistance in just styling particular wiki elements (like info boxes) in a way that matches up well. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scafloc Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 IPB Wiki bridge still broken in some ways, so we're not able to give out all the permissions (even to ourselves) to carry out some design things. Once that gets sorted, Linda and I will be sorting out the skin to keep it in the same style as the rest of Westeros.org, and I guess once we have that broader template set down, we will be able to call for assistance in just styling particular wiki elements (like info boxes) in a way that matches up well. :)I know that (the ipb-wiki-bridge-problem) but I thought the other problem was that you re unfamiliar with skin/css on Wiki's. I may be able to help with the latter part. Not that I am anywhere near to an expert but I managed to do some things on my personal css and I (now) know where to look for information how the css is coded. So let me know if I can help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mor2 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 a new layout/design would be nice but your wiki need much more work than that, at the moment the only reason it's so popular is because its domain gets it to the top of the search in google. the problem with it that while it's more informative than most it's just not user friendly(it's google search friendly). for example, you dont even have a characters page, only 2 links to categories! called characters and POV characters. first, the average user dont know what POV means and in any case the character link is closer to the center, so someone looking for jon snow, will probablyfind him self looking at this: Category:Characters by affiliation Category:Characters by region Category:Characters by status Category:POV charactershis first thought would be WTF?! if it's a new to the saga he will have another WTF for each cat' and wonder if the POV is a sex thing or something, probably click some category, get another category... get confused, say fuck you and go somewhere else.at the very least you should have a single page that have a list of POV chars(with explanation for idiots what it is) and the rest, with a simplified category tree for browsing and short explanations, the most popular characters that most identify with(and will be most thought after) should be set apart and preferably with some visual thumb(for easier identification).EDIT:on second thought, just click the link to the french wiki on your main page. I dont know french and google translate was unable to do its magic but it looks like they have many things right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pale Griffin Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Actually Mordin, if you look up List of Characters, you will see a list of all the characters in the books (up to a certain point in ADWD) in alphabetical order.Also the french wiki is a great resource too. Hopefully, when we have been around as long as they have, we will be just as good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mor2 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 It's like my hard disk, all the usefull info I need in one place, the problem is that unless I am there no one ever can find it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scafloc Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 first, the average user dont know what POV means and in any case the character link is closer to the center, so someone looking for jon snow, will probablyfind him self looking at this: Category:Characters by affiliation Category:Characters by region Category:Characters by status Category:POV charactershis first thought would be WTF?! if it's a new to the saga he will have another WTF for each cat' and wonder if the POV is a sex thing or something, probably click some category, get another category... get confused, say fuck you and go somewhere else.at the very least you should have a single page that have a list of POV chars(with explanation for idiots what it is) and the rest, with a simplified category tree for browsing and short explanations, the most popular characters that most identify with(and will be most thought after) should be set apart and preferably with some visual thumb(for easier identification).I think the term POV was copied from Wikipedia. So I guess it is used before. But how would you call the "characters-that-have-their-own-chapters-and-who's-thoughts-the-reader-can-follow"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mor2 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 I never had any problem with that, you missed the point completelly.@Scafloc, I believe that the french example is good enough: "This section presents the different characters point of view (POV for "point of view" in VO novels)", you dont need more than. It's important to remember that 3500 articles mean nothing, unless the information is organized and presented to the user in an intuitive, self explanatory way, that means they should be able to "get it" without thinking ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scafloc Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Well it is a wiki you know; A fan-created and fan-maintained encyclopedia for George R. R. Martin's A Song of Fire that anybody can edit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 [mod] Personal arguments removed. Don't have these in public, please. [/mod] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mor2 Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 Linda and I will be sorting out the skin to keep it in the same style as the rest of Westeros.org, and I guess once we have that broader template set down, we will be able to call for assistance in just styling particular wiki elements (like info boxes) in a way that matches up well. :)same style, means same colors? because i am try to add color to some of the elements, keeping the reddish background and failing miserably... i guess it's wiki is less structured than a forum and dont have all those color brakes for contrast. Anyway, I'll really appreciate what new(if any) background color you have picked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scafloc Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 It is already possible to create a personal skin. Go to preferences -> Appearance(if you choose a different preference language then English it will be in that language). Choose one of the custom css skins and you can set up your own skin. If made one for myself, you can copy the code if you like and experiment with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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