enyellara Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Then why didn't Cersei try to rescue her friend? Throw her a rope or something. Not just stand around until the cries for help stopped. Do we know exactly what happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eira Seren Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 I think it's strongly implied that Cersei pushed Melara down a well, but I don't think it happened the same night they visited Maggy the Frog. Maggy tells Melara that: "Your death is here tonight, little one. Can you smell her breath? She is very close."But Cersei herself states that:Note that Cersei says that Melara soon fell down a well and drowned. To me, that indicates that it didn't happen that same night, but shortly thereafter. Maggy the Frog was simply saying to Melara that her death was in the room with her. That is, Cersei, who was standing right next to her (Melara).Cersei thinks, cryptically, that Melara "was not so silent in the well, though. She screamed and shouted." I'm one of those who thinks Cersei pushed her in. This is how I read it, too. And Cersei's description of Melara drowning is oddly specific. I'm pretty sure she was standing right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buried Treasure Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 She killed melara out of jealousy over Jaime. I believe in affc she talks of how melara betrayed her or something of that nature Cersei has a track record of deciding somebody betrayed her to justify having treating them cruelly. She seems to genuinely believe Sansa betrayed her when she has her outburst to the council and she pushed the blame onto the Blue Bard for forcing her to witness torture - in the middle of torturing him into a false confession!! I believe that Cersei killed Melara to keep her prophecy unspoken, then justified it by convincing herself that Melara's entirely innocent admiration of Jaime was a terrible betrayal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sansa_Stark Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 "Later, after they were separated, she'd had a string of bedmaids and companions, most of them girls of an age with her, the daughters of her father's household knights and bannerman. None had pleased her, and few lasted very long. Little sneaks, the lot of them. Vapid, weepy creatures, always telling tales and trying to worm their way between me and Jaime." So apparently she got rid of friends who wanted Jaime. Kind of like Melara huh. She can't murder them all though. That would rouse too much suspicion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Weirgaryen Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 She can't murder them all though. That would rouse too much suspicion. You know my Lord, it is about time somebody went ahead and told her. She seems to be oblivious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry_dresden Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I think so. Cersei was very cruel even as a child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hajk Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I guess there is little use in pointing out that there is no decisive evidence that she did this, that even if she did she was a minor, and that there is no evidence to show that if it happened at all, it was intentional rather than accidental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sapphire_lion Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I guess there is little use in pointing out that there is no decisive evidence that she did this, that even if she did she was a minor, and that there is no evidence to show that if it happened at all, it was intentional rather than accidental. Oh please. It's heavily implied that she did it. That she was a minor at the time is no excuse. It was wrong and she has since grown into an even more terrible person. Cersei was a proto-Joffrey. Accept it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaleTheGuard Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I thought it was pretty heavily implied that Cersei killed Melara? And by 'implied', I mean like "Frey Pie" style implied. Like a frying pan to the face, but never actually stated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry_dresden Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Yeah. Its really heavily replied. To me, the most convincing implication came from Cersei's 2nd Dance chapter. She saw "accusing eyes" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Northman Reborn Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Come on. How can anyone seriously doubt that Cersei did it? It is clear for all to see, right there in the text. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry_dresden Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Come on. How can anyone seriously doubt that Cersei did it? It is clear for all to see, right there in the text."Because Cersei only turned cruel because of Robert's abuses!!!!" Some people genuinely believe this and thus it can't be true that Cersei was a cruel little girl. Even though we know she was vile even as a child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Northman Reborn Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 "Because Cersei only turned cruel because of Robert's abuses!!!!" Some people genuinely believe this and thus it can't be true that Cersei was a cruel little girl. Even though we know she was vile even as a child. Maggy's reference to Melara's death as "her" and that "she" was right there in the same room, that Melara could "feel her breath" really gives it away. Cersei later recalling Melara's screams in the well nails it down without a doubt. I can't believe the thread has reached 7 pages of debate on the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Weirgaryen Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 The thread is revolving. We've had all of this upthread.I guess there is little use in pointing out that there is no decisive evidence that she did this, that even if she did she was a minor, and that there is no evidence to show that if it happened at all, it was intentional rather than accidental. Yes, hard Sherlock Holmesy proof is missing, and while that's true, so is this: Oh please. It's heavily implied that she did it. That she was a minor at the time is no excuse. It was wrong and she has since grown into an even more terrible person. Cersei was a proto-Joffrey. Accept it. ...and this... Yeah. Its really heavily replied. To me, the most convincing implication came from Cersei's 2nd Dance chapter. She saw "accusing eyes" ...and further... Maggy's reference to Melara's death as "her" and that "she" was right there in the same room, that Melara could "feel her breath" really gives it away. Cersei later recalling Melara's screams in the well nails it down without a doubt. I can't believe the thread has reached 7 pages of debate on the matter. And that's because it revolves. There's no news, only opinions we've heard before. eta - edited in @harry_dresden's quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaleTheGuard Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 "Because Cersei only turned cruel because of Robert's abuses!!!!" Some people genuinely believe this and thus it can't be true that Cersei was a cruel little girl. Even though we know she was vile even as a child. Yeah, that one always gets me. It's impossible for Cersei to have been a vile little bitch right from the start. A man just had to have turned her that way. I get that Robert raped her. I understand that her marriage was unhappy, and her only escape was her love for Jaime and for her children. I understand that she was denied her perfect fairy-tale marriage to Rhaegar, which likely made her bitter. That doesn't mean she wasn't rotten right from the start of it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry_dresden Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Yeah, that one always gets me. It's impossible for Cersei to have been a vile little bitch right from the start. A man just had to have turned her that way. I get that Robert raped her. I understand that her marriage was unhappy, and her only escape was her love for Jaime and for her children. I understand that she was denied her perfect fairy-tale marriage to Rhaegar, which likely made her bitter. That doesn't mean she wasn't rotten right from the start of it all. Reread the scene where Cersei dreams of the actual encounter with Maggy. Her treatment of Maggy was utterly vile. I'm not even going into the Tyrion abuse thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaAg Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Seemed rather obvious to me that the answer is yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikkel Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Seemed rather obvious to me that the answer is yes. It is, to anyone who don't need Cersei to think "and then I killed Melara. For real, like, I killed her. Myself. Personally. By pushing her down the well. And then not helping her. I did it myself. It wasn't an accident." And even then, some would say her memory was playing tricks on her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee-Sensei Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 The way I saw it, Melara had a crush on Jaime and Cersei saw it as a betrayal so she killed her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krtmd Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 IMO, it's more about the prophecy. Melara told Cersei that if they didn't tell anyone about it, it couldn't come true. Cersei silences her in an effort to kill the prophecy. Jaime is just the icing on the cake. She doesn't think anyone could really take Jaime from her. Hah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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