Stark@heart Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Lord Walder has brought the curse of the Gods (and the True Northmen) down on his House by his own actions. Some will live and some will die but if the Gods (Martin) are just then Lord Walder will live see his grubby little empire of the Twins brought down on his head.Before being ripped apart by wolves while seeing his precious Towers destroyed by Dragons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordBloodraven Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Genna Lannister married a Frey and has children by him.Edmure Tully married a Frey and she is with child.What should the Frey Extermination Squad do with them?Genna could die but Soft-headed Edmure must live. Edmure is a Tully after all and was a victim of the Red Wedding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morte Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Some of the Freys where kept away from the wedding, probably because they opposed the massacre or would oppose it it they knew. They are not to blame. Neither is the children.Agree. Namely: Olyvar the squire, Alesander the singer and Perwyn Frey, Roslin's brother - and we don't know how many other were not present because they wanted no part in this.Also I don't think those who were forced should be punished, and I think most of the women did not have a choice even if they would have found it wrong.I'm sure Kevin knew and he's out, and the Jamie and Roose brief conversation is a little ambiguous as if Jamie actually knew about it.To be fair, I don't think Jaime knew. He thought about some kind of confrontation between Bolton and Robb, but as he is notoriosly underestimating that his family is actually able to do, I simply don't see him knowing about this (yes, I'm quite sure he truely didn't thought on the possibility that his father may want to kill Elia or the children). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melifeather Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I want to see old man Walder experience death by unCat. Wouldn't it be sweet to have him crawl into bed with the hopes of nailing some sweet young thing and it's unCat waiting under the covers??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me Odie Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I want to see old man Walder experience death by unCat. Wouldn't it be sweet to have him crawl into bed with the hopes of nailing some sweet young thing and it's unCat waiting under the covers???That would be perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dena Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I want to see old man Walder experience death by unCat. Wouldn't it be sweet to have him crawl into bed with the hopes of nailing some sweet young thing and it's unCat waiting under the covers??? :bowdown:This HAS to happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Dayne Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Well how do we know this isn't what really happened? The Red Wedding was told only by Catelyn's perspective, and you know how women get at weddings.Made me laugh hysterically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HyacinthGirl Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 What's so good about the Starks?They're just another bunch of entitled jerks who live lives of great comfort and privilege off the sweat and blood of their 'inferiors' and can call up private armies to kill anyone who challenges them. I'm amazed that so many people get all gooey over them because Ned Stark will look you in the eyes when he enforces his barbaric feudal code on your neck. :dunno: :shocked: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horza Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 :shocked:Well, you asked. :DI like them as characters, but this whole thread is why I'm not a fan - all this frothing over a stupid fight between high lords that got out of hand.Why is Robb marching back to the Twins? To reseal an alliance he broke, but also to reclaim the North from the hated Greyjoys. Why are the Greyjoys there? Because Robb marched south with the cream of the North's soldiery to fight the Lannisters and rescue his father (and sent his one valuable hostage back, but we'll leave that aside).Oh wait, Ned got shortened by a head in AGoT, so why is Robb still down south? Because he let his own men crown him King in the North and so got sucked into the War of the Five Kings.If you believe that the Starks are better than most because they care for their 'smallfolk', then what does this have to do with their safety? How is this repaying them for all the wealth they bring their rulers and the sons they give up to the war levies? It's not. It's a futile, macho game that Robb decided to play in the name of Ned Stark and his beloved honour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frosted King Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 The line needs to be wiped clean to the root. The elders, the youths, nearly all the children. Scourge the land and then toss salt. Such a family should've never held so important a crossing.What happened to the Reynes and Tarbecks was harsh, but necessary. You don't allow your subordinates to raise their hand to you, without deadly consequences.The only thing i might not agree with is the murder of babes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daena the Defiant Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 I think they killed her because she went mad (not that it changes my mind about the freys)She was already wounded by a crossbow bolt sticking out of her torso at that point. She happened to be present during the carnage and the Freys didn't care one bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastard Walder Posted January 24, 2012 Author Share Posted January 24, 2012 She was already wounded by a crossbow bolt sticking out of her torso at that point. She happened to be present during the carnage and didn't care one bit.? When did she get hit with a crossbow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester Hodor Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 The only Frey I like is Big Walder... and I have no reason or proof to back that up.Big Walder basically just went along with everything Little Walder did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastard Walder Posted January 24, 2012 Author Share Posted January 24, 2012 The only Frey I like is Big Walder... and I have no reason or proof to back that up.Big Walder basically just went along with everything Little Walder did.Except die.*snigger* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daena the Defiant Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 ? When did she get hit with a crossbow?When the "musicians" opened fire on the guests with crossbows.Edwyn Frey shoved her aside. The music drowned all other sound, echoing off the walls as if the stones themselves where playing. Robb gave Edwyn an angry look and moved to block his way ... and staggered suddenly as a quarrel sprouted from his side, just beneath the shoulder. If he screamed then, the sound was swallowed by the pipes and horns and fiddles. Catelyn saw a second bolt pierce his leg, saw him fall. Up in the gallery, half the musicians had crossbows in their hands instead of drums or lutes. She ran towards her son until something punched her in the small of the back and the hard stone came up to slap her. "Robb!" she screamed. She saw Smalljon Umber wrestle a table off its trestles. Crossbow bolts thudded into the wood, one two three. [....]Catelyn's back was on fire. I have to reach him.aSoS, p. 581.People always forget that Catelyn was wounded gravely when she slew Aegon, but then again people will always ingore the text to damn Catelyn no matter what she does.Personally, I think it darned amazing that she clawed herself off the ground even as she was shot in the back by a crossbow and clambered for a hostage as Robb's men were being chopped into sausage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King in the South Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Well, you asked. :DI like them as characters, but this whole thread is why I'm not a fan - all this frothing over a stupid fight between high lords that got out of hand.Why is Robb marching back to the Twins? To reseal an alliance he broke, but also to reclaim the North from the hated Greyjoys. Why are the Greyjoys there? Because Robb marched south with the cream of the North's soldiery to fight the Lannisters and rescue his father (and sent his one valuable hostage back, but we'll leave that aside).Oh wait, Ned got shortened by a head in AGoT, so why is Robb still down south? Because he let his own men crown him King in the North and so got sucked into the War of the Five Kings.If you believe that the Starks are better than most because they care for their 'smallfolk', then what does this have to do with their safety? How is this repaying them for all the wealth they bring their rulers and the sons they give up to the war levies? It's not. It's a futile, macho game that Robb decided to play in the name of Ned Stark and his beloved honour. :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:Another one who sees the light!Made me laugh hysterically.When Catelyn describes herself picking up the knife off the table she's actually describing her fingernails extending and twisting into claws :cool4: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natalia Borgia Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 It was said by Tywin when he's discussing the Red Wedding with Tyrion. After he mentions Catelyn was killed too, he comments that the original plan was to hold her captive.Tywin would see that Catelyn had value to the North and to the lords of Riverrun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natalia Borgia Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 On a similar note O.J. only intended to kill his wife.Yeah but that other guy got in his way. Poor Ronald Goldman- RIP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweetRobin4Life Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 On a similar note O.J. only intended to kill his wife.Hahaha so Walder is the OJ of Westeros? I'm not sure who that's more insulting to, OJ or Walder.But really, if a Frey like Lame Lothar, who was given a place of honor in sending Hoster downriver at his funeral, were to explain to UnCat "Oh no, we only ment to massacre you're son and you're few remaining companions," would any of us complain when she hung him? I'm not saying all Freys must die but there's a few who could use a little justice from the BwB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanTasy Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 To go back to the original post: yes the whole mess started with oathbreaking by Robb.Robb said: 'sorry' and promised another joining of House Frey and Stark in the future (Arya, if recovered and Forgothisname Frey).To be fair, why should they believe him now? He had broken his oath before.The Freys held true to the original deal Walder and Catelyn made. Frey's died for Robb's cause..Of course what the Freys consequently did was inexcusable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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