LordBloodraven Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Just received mine. And it's amazing. For the map of Westeros, all the castles are as described in the books. I think it reflects their comparative size too. Winterfell is massive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushido Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Winterfell is bigger than Red Keep,by Ned's account.LordBloodraven,I am getting mine in the middle of Nov,please share some more - BRAAVOS. Is there Izembaro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonTargaryenW/Viserion4WIN Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Winterfell is bigger than Red Keep,by Ned's account.LordBloodraven,I am getting mine in the middle of Nov,please share some more - BRAAVOS. Is there Izembaro?No Izembaro that I can see. And I checked all the maps* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordBloodraven Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Winterfell is bigger than Red Keep,by Ned's account.LordBloodraven,I am getting mine in the middle of Nov,please share some more - BRAAVOS. Is there Izembaro?Bigger than the Red Keep? I must have missed that. I'm still unrolling the map so stay close. I'm looking at KL right now. This city need to be google mapped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordBloodraven Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I can smell the stink of Flea Bottom from where I am :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonTargaryenW/Viserion4WIN Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I know Martin has said we will not have a POV travel further east and I believe that this map geographically proves that. There doesn't seem to be a eastward route to Westeros save for sailing north of Essos and that doesn't seem like a good idea for anybody, it being winter and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushido Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Bigger than the Red Keep? I must have missed that. I'm still unrolling the map so stay close. I'm looking at KL right now. This city need to be google mappedArya chapter,her dream about Red Keep and blood from the walls,and Ned reassures her.Catelyn also comments on Winterfell and its vast space.Thanks!! :)So,Izembaro could be a person... Or institution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordBloodraven Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Arya chapter,her dream about Red Keep and blood from the walls,and Ned reassures her.Catelyn also comments on Winterfell and its vast space.Thanks!! :)So,Izembaro could be a person... Or institution.I knew that it was big, but not that big ;). I think Izembarro is a person too, a Braavosi more likely since Arya needs to change her face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordBloodraven Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 So in the Dothraki sea, we have Vaes Khaddokh/Essaria (City of Corpses), Vaes Graddakh/Sarys (City of Waste), Vaes Diaf (City of Skulls) Vojjor Samui (Broken Gods). Dothrakis have been busy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrik of Dorne Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 So in the Dothraki sea, we have Vaes Khaddokh/Essaria (City of Corpses), Vaes Graddakh/Sarys (City of Waste), Vaes Diaf (City of Skulls) Vojjor Samui (Broken Gods). Dothrakis have been busyAre those cities or ruined cities? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idler Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 @Bushido: Can you read?As a German, I had to read the English version of ADwD to learn wtf you folks are arguing about.The German translation of the line goes this way: "Morgen gehst du zu Izembaro und trittst Deine erste Lehre an."The German "gehen zu" means definitely "going to someone, somebody, some person".The German "gehen nach" would mean "going to someplace".I think GRRM has some control of the book translations, so Izembaro is a person, probably a male Braavosi, as was already pointed out. I might add that the German "gehen zu" means, strictly speaking, to walk to someone (by foot), not "using a boat" or "going by dragon". So you are looking for a person, probably male, living in short distance from the house of Black and White, that can be reached by only using bridges.Have a look at the newly edited city map of Braavos. That can't be but 100 000 inhabitants!Just so. :read: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushido Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Oh,interesting!! Thanks!My translation actually hints at place,rather than person. Could it be that translators made a choice on their own? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idler Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Oh,interesting!! Thanks!My translation actually hints at place,rather than person. Could it be that translators made a choice on their own?Never heard of different book translations in such an important point. The author would go berserk. What language is your copy in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Lea Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Hey guys, I wouldn't base interpretations on translations. I doubt GRRM has any control of them. I think Bushido is right and the translators just decide stuff for themselves. Believe me, there has been some really atrocious stuff in different languages. My favourites are still the translations that said that the direwolf-mama was killed by a unicorn in AGOT and the one that said greyscale is a crocodile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzureOwl Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 So in the Dothraki sea, we have Vaes Khaddokh/Essaria (City of Corpses), Vaes Graddakh/Sarys (City of Waste), Vaes Diaf (City of Skulls) Vojjor Samui (Broken Gods). Dothrakis have been busyAnd we can add to the list Vaes Leisi (City of Ghosts) and Vaes Aresak/Ibbish (City of Cowards). Busy indeed.I find it interesting that Vaes Leisi doesn't have a name given to it by its original inhabitants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Pepper Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Never heard of different book translations in such an important point. The author would go berserk. What language is your copy in?I don't think the author is multi-lingual, nor do I think the author has time to assist in editing dozens of translations. Translation is usually left to someone else. I have briefly browsed through the Spanish and Korean version and found a number of humorous translations that present a problem.Besides that, the English version, which is the language the author used to write the books, is unclear on whether it's a person or a place.“Wear this when you are here,” the priest said, “but know that you shall have little need of it for the present. On the morrow you will go to Izembaro to begin your first apprenticeship..."The way it's written, it learns more towards it being a place rather than a person. The first sentence is talking about a place (here) and then goes on to say she will go to Izembaro. It's not exactly the way one would phrase something if one is referring to a person. It's not incorrect, but one would expect a different verb (see, talk to, visit) when referring to a person rather than a place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordBloodraven Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Are those cities or ruined cities?All ruined cities. They look like Valyrian outposts that have been wiped out by the Dothraki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrik of Dorne Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 All ruined cities. They look like Valyrian outposts that have been wiped out by the DothrakiThanks for the reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliche Guevara Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 All ruined cities. They look like Valyrian outposts that have been wiped out by the DothrakiI had a similar theory upon seeing the sample the other day. Sarys definitely sounds Valyrian. It's not really the Dothraki's MO to completely wipe out cities, though, is it? I was thinking these cities may have been destroyed in the Doom along with Valyria, or else they died off quickly after the capital vanished. It seems like if they had survived the Doom as well as the free cities did the Dothraki would've treated them similarly and just extorted them instead of outright sacking them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonTargaryenW/Viserion4WIN Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Anyone else all of the sudden extremely interested in the lands to the far east? Maybe even more so because it will most likely be an eternal mystery. Sorry for you fans out there itching for some map action, maybe this will suffice:To the far east of the known world Bonetown lies on the brim of a massive canyon (nearly the size of Slaver's Bay) called The Dry Deep. Judging by the artwork this thing seems 100 km deep or more. K'Dath is located Northwest of Bonetown in the middle of desert/grasslands. To the south of The Dry Deep is a transcription 'Cities of the Bloodless Men'. Bloodless Men? Literally or figuratively? WTF? And there are no cities marked, just the words 'CotBM' across what seems to be mixed desert and prairie. To the north of Bonetown and K'Dath are two deserts labeled 'Cannibal Sands' that straddle THE GREY WASTE. The western border of this area is a huge inland sea, the Bleeding Sea and on the map it is literally red. The northern part of the continent is a forested region labeled Mossovy and a lesser area N'Ghai. A city by the name of Nefer lies at the mouth of a river that feeds into The Thousand Islands, a system of archipelago-esque landmasses at the southeastern part of The Shivering Sea, the northern edge of Essos. One of the most interesting locations IMO are The Five Forts. Between the Bleeding Sea and Bonetown and K'Dath is the Land of the Shrykes. The Five Forts is an arc of "castles" that span from the shores of the Bleeding Sea to the mountains bordering The Dry Deep, seemingly to separate the Shrykes from Yi Ti. And let me tell you about Yi Ti... not a city. It seems like a country or vast region with forest/jungle to the south along the Jade Sea and prairie lands further inland.Man, I'm geeking out.I could go on about possible tectonic shift and continental drift theories I have just from looking at the landscape. Much respect to the artist Jonathan Roberts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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