Grail King Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Arya No One Stark!She belongs here more than Sansa in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
another bastard Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 An 12 year old more evil than Vargo Hoath and she killed no one ...Well, at least Joffrey outranks Sansa (barely).Though it's a little bit sick that she's ahead of Hoat, Amory Lorch, Euron Greyjoy, Rorge, Biter, and the Great Masters of Meereen. (Along with various child molesters and people-burners, etc.)... and speaking of "No One" she isn't even on this list and her hands are as bloody as a red velvet cake. ...Arya No One Stark!She belongs here more than Sansa in my opinion.Neither of them belong. Arya was a hunted child in a war zone, who did what she had to do to survive, including taking refuge with the FM when that was literally the only place she could escape to. She'd rather kill than be killed, but that's hardly unusual, and I don't think it really qualifies her for the same category as Ramsay, Gregor, Littlefinger, Tywin, Qyburn, etc., or Rorge, Biter, and the Great Masters.If you think that her killing Daeron the deserter or the insurance salesman qualifies her for this league, I'll repost the defense I wrote of her in another thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolene Brown Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Gregor and Ramsay and the obvious suspects are monopolizing so many of the votes, I think, that the lower rankings get a little distorted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greywindsrage Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Gregor CleganeVargo HaotJoffery LannisterEuron GreyjoyRamsay BoltonLyn CorbrayCrasterWalder FreyQuyburn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toccs Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Why hasn't anyone mentioned Maester Luwin. Too deliberately set out to crush a poor crippled child's dreams of magic, that takes an incredibly twisted and sinister mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romantic Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Okay so he's not technically 'in' Westeros what about the person who inflicted all this misery on everyone - GRRM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay Gimp Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Ramsay isn't a coward. He attacks a superior armed force in ACOK (Ser Rodrick's army) and is eager to go to battle with Stannis in ADWD. He also has the balls to stand up to his old manI actually don't think he's capable of feeling "fear" the way a normal person would. Roose even says that he should fear more, like he does, to stay alive. Gregor's probably the same way - they aren't "brave" because they can't feel real fear, just like they can't feel empathy or compassion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Miss Sunshine Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 In my country we have a saying that goes like "A thief is guilty, but the guy who's standing there watching to see if no one shows up is equally guilty".This to say that, yes, Gregor and Ramsay are utterly vile and despicable and give me the chills, but the ones who could do anything about most of their behaviour don't - Tywin and Roose. Tywin actually uses Gregor's worst traits to serve his needs to benefit his side on the war. (Roose gets the tiny benefit of actually acknowledging his bastard's is the devil unleashed).So yeah, Tywin and Roose first on the list for me.... followed by Ramsay and Gregor and Qyburn (psycho psycho pyscho). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grail King Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Well, at least Joffrey outranks Sansa (barely).Though it's a little bit sick that she's ahead of Hoat, Amory Lorch, Euron Greyjoy, Rorge, Biter, and the Great Masters of Meereen. (Along with various child molesters and people-burners, etc.)Neither of them belong. Arya was a hunted child in a war zone, who did what she had to do to survive, including taking refuge with the FM when that was literally the only place she could escape to. She'd rather kill than be killed, but that's hardly unusual, and I don't think it really qualifies her for the same category as Ramsay, Gregor, Littlefinger, Tywin, Qyburn, etc., or Rorge, Biter, and the Great Masters.If you think that her killing Daeron the deserter or the insurance salesman qualifies her for this league, I'll repost the defense I wrote of her in another thread.I probably saw it as I stated in another thread that was not hers to do, she wasn't the lord or lady of Winterfell.And to be a bit clear I stated Arya more to point out how bogus it is for Sansa to be on here, if your not going to include the cool unrealistic assassin chick.I would not put either on this list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Euron is also critically underranked on this list. The guy will probably have a long list of atrocities by the time the series is done. Everyone who's met him is scared shitless of him, and likely for good reason.He'll move up once The Winds of Winter comes around. Euron has had little screen time in the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StannisandDaeny Posted May 26, 2012 Author Share Posted May 26, 2012 If Dareon hadn't spent all that money Aemon may have lived (a bit longer). He's indirectly responsible for his death so I think Arya did a good job slitting his throat. GRRM doesn't really seem to like bards does he? Almost all of them are portrayed as assholes and even those who are not often suffer horrible fates (Marrilion, Dareon, the Blue Bard, the one Tyrion had killed...). Tom Sevenstrings had better mind his head!Euron I would say has the best average screen time / admittance or commission of horrible deeds ratio up till now, I'm sure he'll make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greensleeves Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 1) Vargo Hoat2) Walder Frey3) Roose Bolton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StannisandDaeny Posted May 26, 2012 Author Share Posted May 26, 2012 Time for a league update!1. Ramsay Snow 1392. Gregor Clegane 613. Littlefinger 354. Tywin Lannister 26
5. Qyburn 246. Roose Bolton 177. Cersei Lannister 168. Craster 159. Joffrey Lannister 14 Walder Frey 1410. Vargo Hoat 12
11. Sansa Stark 8 Varys 812. Euron Greyjoy 613. Melisandre 5
14. Amory Lorch 4, Euron Biter 4 Varamyr Sixskins 415. Gerold Hightower 3, Great Maesters of Meereen 3, Grandmaester Pycelle 3, Tyrion Lannister 3, Stannis Baratheon 3, Maester Aemon 3, Barristan Selmy 3, Chett 3, Arya Stark 3, Maester Luwin 316. Lyn Corbray 2, Jon Darry 2, Meryn Trant 2, Rorge 2, Septon Utt 2, Polliver 2
17. Oswell Whent 1, Jeyne Westerling 1, Mandon Moore 1Most notably, Tywin has managed to surpass Qyburn. Roose has also worked his way up, and Joffrey has gotten ahead of most of the pack. Euron is also slowly moving up the list. Maester Luwin, of all people, finds himself in some strange company, and wonders what Arya is doing there. She can't answer that either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitering Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Sooo many to choose from.oops real #1 Tywin Lannister1) Gregor CleganeEdit, sorry Ramsay Bolton should go here.2) Armory Lorch3) Qyburn4) Biter5) Rorge6) Euron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Kraken Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 I realized I only said one person in my first post (the man most deserving of this title, Ramsay Bolton Snow), but I should have added Euron Greyjoy and Melisandre as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Lannister Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Ramsay isn't a coward.Yeah, being a coward is one insult I can't lay upon Ramsay. The fucker has balls if nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Turtle Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Yeah, being a coward is one insult I can't lay upon Ramsay. The fucker has balls if nothing else.Probably few sets of balls and not all are his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Scorpion Knight Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Yeah, being a coward is one insult I can't lay upon Ramsay. The fucker has balls if nothing else.fearless, wrathful fools with zero usage of brains when it is needed aren't cowardsactually on his own i think ramsay becomes almost pityable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
another bastard Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 And to be a bit clear I stated Arya more to point out how bogus it is for Sansa to be on here, if your not going to include the cool unrealistic assassin chick.I would not put either on this list.We agree on on this much, then. Whoever's voting for Sansa is either joking, trolling or has some serious mental health issues.Though I'm still sad to see her little sister up there now too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
another bastard Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Probably few sets of balls and not all are his own.I would "like" this if it wasn't for the unfortunate mental image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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