SeanF Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 I have been intentionally avoiding those trials because if I bring them to the court, then I can't argue for or against any of them. I very much want to argue for or against those characters, I don't want to be left out of those arguments. And! We may have to change the ground rules for those trials as well because I know popularity or lack thereof would mean 2 of those characters can never get a fair trial in this setting.Would you like me to draw up the charges in those cases, so that you can be a juror? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion of Judah Posted February 17, 2013 Author Share Posted February 17, 2013 Would you like me to draw up the charges in those cases, so that you can be a juror?Sounds good to me, PM when you are going to do the cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarkDragon Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 1) Guilty. 2) He was under order by his liege lord to commit such heinous acts. His guilt is attributable only if it is an affront to the King. Elsewise, innocent.3) Guilty, many times guilty, even admitted once, in another case.4) The charge is mislabeled. Enemies of state can be poisoned and made to labor to the benefit of the captivity, but can not be physically abused. Innocent of slavery, guilty of abuse of prisoners of war. Unless you speak of those he did not convict of war, in which case, guilty of slavery.5) As stated above, most certainly Guilty.6) Same as 2, Guilty if an affront to the King, Innocent if not.7) Again, Same as 2, verdict is to the King.8) Same King's verdict.9) Guilty in MO. Also the abuse she suffered could merit slavery/torture.10) Guilty, absolutely. 11) Guilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fallen Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 ` I would say the only charge Gregor is not guilty of would be number 6. I can't believe Cersei hasn't been brought up on charges. Or would her trial just be too easy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarkDragon Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 ` I would say the only charge Gregor is not guilty of would be number 6. I can't believe Cersei hasn't been brought up on charges. Or would her trial just be too easy?The fact she actually is charged in the book by the Faith, and is yet to meet all the charges being a major part of the book, might have a bit to do with it.But in that case, all the more fun to try her in prep of the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fallen Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 ` True enough. But with our concept, where we're privy to all that goes on, her case would be a little easier. I agree it will be fun when and if she comes up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion of Judah Posted February 18, 2013 Author Share Posted February 18, 2013 Gregor Clegane Alias 'The Mountain' on this day Monday February 18th, judges of this court find you:Not Guilty on Count 1a.- Murder of Ser Hugh of the ValeGuilty on Count 1b.- Murder of Lord Lyman DarryGuilty on Count 2- Genocide in the RiverlandsGuilty on Count 3- The Rape of Lord Janos Bracken's daughterGuilty on Count 4- Slavery (forcing citizens of the kingdoms into labor without compensation)Guilty on Count 5- Torture of those you illegally capturedGuilty on Count 6- Theft (you illegally sacked castles and took property)Guilty on Count 7- Arson (you burned the many castles you sacked)Guilty on Count 8- Vandalism (in the act of burning and looting we hold you accountable for the destruction)Guilty on Count 9- Kidnapping of Lady Arya Stark (Even though you did not knowingly take her, she was taken by force)Guilty on Count 10-Treason(The lawful hand of the king Lord Eddard Stark was within his right to attaint you in the kings name, your actions show that you never intended on obeying that order. An attack on men carrying out the King's justice is the same as an attack on the king himself)Guilty on Count 11- Assault (You attacked men carrying the banner of the king)Gregor Clegane this court hereby denounce and attaint you and all those that took part in your crimes. You and your followers are hence forth stripped of all lands, monetary holdings and titles, all of which will be used to compensate your many victims. You and your band of marauders will be sentenced to death by flames, a sentence to be carried out immediately in the Riverlands where your crimes were committed. Gregor Clegane may the old gods and the new have mercy on your soul.Vote tallyCount 1a- 9 guilty, 17 not guilty, 3 dismissedCount 1b- 21 guilty, 7 not guily, 2 dismissedCount 2- 22 guilty, 6 not guilty, 2 dismissedCount 3- 29 guilty, 1 not guilty, 0 dismissedCount 4- 19 guilty, 8 not guilty, 4 dismissedCount 5- 26 guilty, 3 not guilty, 1 dismissedCount 6- 21 guilty, 6 not guilty, 2 dismissedCount 7- 22 guilty, 5 not guilty, 3 dismissedCount 8- 23 guilty, 5 not guilty, 2 dismissedCount 9- 18 guilty, 8 not guilty, 3 dismissedCount 10- 24 guilty, 5 not guilty, 1 dismissedCount 11- 22 guilty, 4 not guilty, 4 dismissedThis court is now adjourned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion of Judah Posted February 18, 2013 Author Share Posted February 18, 2013 1. Regarding ser Hugh of the Vale it cannot be proved that he intentionally killed him. DismissedRegarding Lord Darry it was during the war. Innocent2. Under orders from his Lord to wreak havoc to their enemies and assist the war effort. Innocent3.Same as charge 2. Innocent4.They were prisoners of war not slaves. Dismissed5.They were prisoners of war. Innocent6.Same as charge 2. Innocent7.Same as charge 2. Innocent8.Same as charge 2. Innocent9.She was captured during the war. Innocent10. War had not been declared. While at that point he was guilty later a new king ascended the throne, the Hand was executed and the orders were invalid. Dismissed11. Same as charge 10. DismissedWhile there are many reports of his brutal nature all of the above happened because his Lord ordered him and took place during the reign of the former king.Innocent of all charges.Your argument on charge 10 sort of contradicts your judgement on charge 5. If war was not declared, which I agree with you on, how can he legally take prisoners of war? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukle Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Gregor Clegane Alias 'The Mountain' on this day Monday February 18th, judges of this court find you:Not Guilty on Count 1a.- Murder of Ser Hugh of the ValeEven though I was one of those who said he couldn't really be charged with the murder, is there any doubt anyway that he did it? Given how she likes to boast, I reckon if Cersei were asked about Hugh's death (she'd probably need her memory jogged first to remember who he is) she'd likely admit to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion of Judah Posted February 18, 2013 Author Share Posted February 18, 2013 Guilty of all, death by fire.How is count 5 of the Jaime one guilty, look at the tally.After considering your argument on charge 5 in the Jamie trial, the court proceeded to recount tally of the charge in question. After a recount of just charge 5 the court did find a discrepancy in the final numbers which were originally stated as 22 guilty,17 not guilty, and 6 dismissals. However, your argument invokes an amendment that was voted on during the Jamie Lannister trial, but not enacted until the next trial which was stated when the amendment was rendered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion of Judah Posted February 18, 2013 Author Share Posted February 18, 2013 Even though I was one of those who said he couldn't really be charged with the murder, is there any doubt anyway that he did it? Given how she likes to boast, I reckon if Cersei were asked about Hugh's death (she'd probably need her memory jogged first to remember who he is) she'd likely admit to it.There is no doubt that he did it, but there was no substantial evidence to say he intentionally committed the act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Sounds good to me, PM when you are going to do the cases.Thanks. I've sent you a message. Please let me know if you don't receive it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WardenOfTheNorth Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 This court call upon the defendant Ser Gregor Clegane, alias ‘The Mountain,’ Knight of Clegane’s Keep and charge him with:Charge 1) 2 Counts of murder-During a competitive joust Ser Gregor intentionally and successfully sort to cause fatal injury to Ser Hugh of the Vale. Ser Clegane upon invading the Riverlands successfully attacked castle Darry, killing 8 year old Lord Lyman Darry.Guilty.Charge 2) Genocide-Ser Gregor Clegane committed unwarranted acts of genocide against the people of the Riverlands.GuiltyCharge 3) Rape-Upon sacking Stony Hedge the seat of House Bracken, Ser Gregor Clegane sexually assaulted and raped one of Lord Jonos Bracken daughters.Guilty.Charge 4) Slavery-Many survivors of Ser Cleganes’ attacks throughout the Riverlands were taken to Harrenhal Castle, where they forced into labor and abused directly by his command and Ser Clegane himself.GuiltyCharge 5) Torture-Ser Clegane stood by while ‘Tickler’ carried out acts of torture at his command. According to witness Chiswyck "Tickler makes them howl so hard they piss themselves..."GuiltyCharge 6) Theft-Upon sacking the many castles of the Riverlands Ser Gregor stole all of the castles food supplies.GuiltyCharge 7) Arson-Ser Gregor burnt the Castle Stoney Hedge along with it’s unharvested crops.GuiltyCharge 8) Vandalism-We seek to charge Ser Gregor with vandalism for the above acts as well.GuiltyCharge 9) Kidnapping-While this charge may seem to be a reach, this court argues that the forceful taking of Lady Arya Stark of Winterfell should be deemed as kidnapping in the eyes of judges in this court. Ser Gregor was not aware of Lady Arya Stark, but the act of taking her against her will should not be dismissed.GuiltyCharge 10) Treason-Ser Gregor openly attacked men ordered by the Hand of the King Lord Eddard Stark of Winterfell and carrying the banner of King Robert Baratheon when they sort to bring him in to answer for his many atrocities. This attack was no different from an attack on the king himself.GuiltyCharge 11) Assault (against Kingsmen)-For the act of resisting arrest this court finds that Ser Gregor’s actions warrant a charge of assault.GuiltyVerdict:GuiltyPunishment:Give him to Rhllor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cas Stark Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 Welcome to the 7th installation of the “Official court of law” for this board. In this thread we will debate and pass judgement on character crimes from the work ASOIAF. As judges we bear a burden of upholding the integrity of our court so being impartial is imperative, keep all arguments in a legal context that suit the standards of this court. All posters are welcomed to make their case, at the end of your argument pass your judgement and sentence!!!!The rules: Every poster has one vote (per charge) of guilt or innocence.**For a guilty verdict, your options are:Send them to the wall. (same as prison sentence)Death by sword. (Clean and quick)Death by flames. (An ode to R’hllor)Death by flaying. (oh boy)Monetary fineExile and/orStripped of land/title.Prison sentence**If you find the character innocent, simply state innocent after your argument.As for as evidence that can be submitted, posters can submit any argument they deem relevant. However we cannot use any pardons or prior convictions as evidence in the matter. Our court will not recognize the judgement of any other court or ruling body.**You can also vote for charges to be dismissed (majority rule).**At the end of the week the vote will be counted and the final sentence carried out. Majority rules. Only the nominated character will be discussed, however, you can indict characters you also find culpable, as part of your ruling, and they can be added to the docket.**Votes can be changed before they are counted, but do so in your original post.Posters can just cast a vote, which is your right, but try to state a case as well. Your opinion actually matters and it may serve to change the vote of another judge.*Do not take it personally if your favorite character is being torn to pieces. Everyone is fair game.****If votes of 'not guilty' and 'dismissed' taken together comprise over 50% of the total votes cast, the defendant is to be found 'not guilty' or the charge is to be 'dismissed', with the option that gained the most votes between the two representing the final verdict.****Tywin LannisterRobb StarkJamie LannisterMelisandreAlester FlorentRenly BaratheonThis court call upon the defendant Ser Gregor Clegane, alias ‘The Mountain,’ Knight of Clegane’s Keep and charge him with:Charge 1) 2 Counts of murder-During a competitive joust Ser Gregor intentionally and successfully sort to cause fatal injury to Ser Hugh of the Vale. Ser Clegane upon invading the Riverlands successfully attacked castle Darry, killing 8 year old Lord Lyman Darry.Charge 2) Genocide-Ser Gregor Clegane committed unwarranted acts of genocide against the people of the Riverlands.Charge 3) Rape-Upon sacking Stony Hedge the seat of House Bracken, Ser Gregor Clegane sexually assaulted and raped one of Lord Jonos Bracken daughters.Charge 4) Slavery-Many survivors of Ser Cleganes’ attacks throughout the Riverlands were taken to Harrenhal Castle, where they forced into labor and abused directly by his command and Ser Clegane himself.Charge 5) Torture-Ser Clegane stood by while ‘Tickler’ carried out acts of torture at his command. According to witness Chiswyck "Tickler makes them howl so hard they piss themselves..."Charge 6) Theft-Upon sacking the many castles of the Riverlands Ser Gregor stole all of the castles food supplies.Charge 7) Arson-Ser Gregor burnt the Castle Stoney Hedge along with it’s unharvested crops.Charge 8) Vandalism-We seek to charge Ser Gregor with vandalism for the above acts as well.Charge 9) Kidnapping-While this charge may seem to be a reach, this court argues that the forceful taking of Lady Arya Stark of Winterfell should be deemed as kidnapping in the eyes of judges in this court. Ser Gregor was not aware of Lady Arya Stark, but the act of taking her against her will should not be dismissed.Charge 10) Treason-Ser Gregor openly attacked men ordered by the Hand of the King Lord Eddar Stark of Winterfell and carrying the banner of King Robert Baratheon when they sort to bring him in to answer for his many atrocities. This attack was no different from an attack on the king himself.Charge 11) Assault (against Kingsmen)-For the act of resisting arrest this court finds that Ser Gregor’s actions warrant a charge of assault.**This court submit into evidence the trial of Lord Tywin Lannister, a man convicted for his involvement in the many crimes carried out by Ser Gregor Clegane.Judges present your argument.1. Guilty2. Guity3. Guilty4-9. Recommend these charges be merged into a single count of war crimes. Guilty.10. Guilty.11. Guilty Death by flaying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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