The Sword of the Evening Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Yep. I think it is very possible Ned banished Benjen to the Night's Watch for helping Lyanna as the KOTLT/run off with Rhaegar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Cadwan Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 But...Benjen is Daarion Naharis who is Euron Greyjoy who is Gerion Lannister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swordofthemornin Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Yep. I think it is very possible Ned banished Benjen to the Night's Watch for helping Lyanna as the KOTLT/run off with Rhaegar Benjen wanted to join the nights watch after hearing a Black brother speak at the feast the night of the Harrenhal tourney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sword of the Evening Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 6) When, specifically, did Benjen join the NW? Was it a couple of years after Ned returned, or immediately?It was within a few months of Ned's returning. The reason being that there always was a Stark at Winterfell, so he had to stay there until Ned returned. GRRM refused to say the reason why Benjen had to join the NW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Stark Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Yep. I think it is very possible Ned banished Benjen to the Night's Watch for helping Lyanna as the KOTLT/run off with RhaeI IIRC, the houses of the First Men still conform to the old ways when it comes to the Night Watch. It was always customary for the 3rd sons of a major house to join the Nights Watch (the reason why Royce who was a third son was at the wall in the very beginning) and the Starks would have held tradition. Now why did he decide to go after Brandon was killed is the real question. I like to think that the Starks new something was coming soon and needed to have a look out behind the wall, hence the whispering between Benjen and Ned during Roberts trip to Winterfell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kneo Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Benjen is probably dead. I don't think he is important to the story or that we will see him in the future. Of course we would love to make him somehow important to the story, like we do with many other characters, but I believe that he is there so that we can understand better Jon's decision to join the NW.Let's face it, it was easier for us to see Jon joining NW because of Benjen. Without him, there was no point or any reasonable explanation for Jon to join NW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleo Patch Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Benjen is probably dead. I don't think he is important to the story or that we will see him in the future. Of course we would love to make him somehow important to the story, like we do with many other characters, but I believe that he is there so that we can understand better Jon's decision to join the NW. Let's face it, it was easier for us to see Jon joining NW because of Benjen. Without him, there was no point or any reasonable explanation for Jon to join NW. jon could've joined the NW because he is a bastard and feeling left out, or so Rickon wouldn't have to when he is older (since third sons tend to join the NW like Perrin Stark said) or to get away from Catelyn. moreover, he did want to belong somewhere where people wouldnt care if he was a bastard (book 1 I think) I believe Benjen has some endgame information that he would've had no excuse not to share early on if he didn't disappear, kinda like Howland Reed not showing up so far, if L+R=J is true, not saying that they have the same secrets though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nategator Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Benjen is the Russian of Sopranos. A maddeningly loose end that will never be resolved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Deleted] Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 6) When, specifically, did Benjen join the NW? Was it a couple of years after Ned returned, or immediately? It was within a few months of Ned's returning. The reason being that there always was a Stark at Winterfell, so he had to stay there until Ned returned. GRRM refused to say the reason why Benjen had to join the NW. This quote is interesting because it bring up the "Always be a Stark in Winterfell" line again... This shows that they take it very VERY seriously. Benjen went to join his Stark ancestors, the Others. It is known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bemused Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 While wrestling with my thoughts on Mance, I came across something that may shed light on when Benjen joined the watch. Benjen and Mance have never met, though Mance got to see him at the feast in WF. Benjen was at Castle Black when Qorgyll came south to visit Ned. He went to the Shadow Tower first and brought Mance with him. Why didn't he bring Benjen? When Benjen comes to WF during Robert's visit, we're definitely left with the feeling that there have been other visits over the years. I think we're shown why back in AGoT when Tyrion asks Mormont if Jon can be included in his escort when Tyrion leaves the wall, as a courtesy to Jon and his family. Mormont says it wouldn't be a good idea because Jon hasn't been at the wall long and new recruits need time to form NW bonds and put family ties at a distance. Apparently it wouldn't have been a problem, otherwise - after all, Jon is a volunteer, not a sentenced criminal. Furthermore Rangers from the three NW ''castles" meet and know each other because they're sent on ranging from one location to the otherr, and meet to exchange information in the field ... so if Mance and Ben had never met it tells us that Benjen hadn't been at the wall long and had not yet done much ranging. (He may not even have taken his oath yet, at that time.) Because Mance and Jon both remember Mance's visit with Qorgyll, and we're told the kind of game Jon and Robb were playing, the boys can't have been very young. And because we know Mormont was elected LC sometime in their 5th year..Mance and Qorgyll's visit had to have occurred earlier in the same year. So I think Benjen didn't join the watch until the boys were at least four, or even a young five. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Ghost of Someone Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 He will not be in the prologue, Jeyne Westerling has been confirmed by Grrm to be in the prologue either as the pov or someone near her. GRRM has said that we will see what is really, really up North in the Lands of Always Winter. Bran, Bloodraven and yes, Benjen will be in this plotline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimli son of Gloin Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Has someone asked GRRM if he even has written or come up with a story for Benjen after he went missing? (Please share if you know) Martin may have written that he went missing and left it there. Perhaps, it's just one of those unsolved mysteries, sadly. Mysteries tend to create affliction for a story ;) If he returns, I can't see it centered on something other than r+l=j. Many ways to do so, but if he comes it has something to do with that. Perhaps he is dead/missing for good. Perhaps he'll return. Perhaps he is/was Coldhands. Perhaps he said "screw this" and went to a dornish brothel to live long happy days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leviathan Sound Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 I think Benjen has a big future role - if not in TWoW, then in DoS. Way too important character just to disappear without a trace. He even may know something about Jon Snow's parentage as well. Yep, some on here seem to be talking about him like he's just some random nobody character, but this is a STARK for ****'s sake, the uncle to Jon Snow and brother to Eddard Stark and someone who could easily have important information, I think there's no way he's not going to return in some form, whether dead, alive or indeed maybe even undead, I can't see GRRM leaving Benjen as an unanswered loose end at the end of all this. Whatever form he does return in, I think he'll have at least a fairly significant role to play and I'm really looking forward to seeing what happened to him, maybe he's with the Others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastetcat Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Or he may be a different Stark. From before... he could be a Stark from 100, 400, 6000 yeas befor. But considering how recognisable are the Starks Coldhands keeps his face covered. I'm pretty sure Coldhands keeps his face covered with a scarf. I don't have the books electronically so I can't do an easy search but that was always my impression :dunno: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastetcat Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 But...Benjen is Daarion Naharis who is Euron Greyjoy who is Gerion Lannister .. and the hooded man is Winterfell!!! How could you forgot? :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince of the North Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Or he may be a different Stark. From before... he could be a Stark from 100, 400, 6000 yeas befor. But considering how recognisable are the Starks Coldhands keeps his face covered. Oh, absolutely! Coldhands could be just about anybody at this point. But, I for one, will be (minimally) disappointed IF it turns out that Coldhands has existed in the North for 100+ years. The reason being: then what has he been doing all that time and why have we not been shown any rumors or murmurings among the Wildlings, at least, about such a mysterious man? I feel Martin is quite good and thorough with the details in ASoIaF and that would be a bit of an error or oversight to me IF it's true that Coldhands has been boppin' around the North for 100+ years :dunno: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerys III of his name Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 of course he'll come back, with beautiful sexy blue eyes :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Alex Dayne Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 But...Benjen is Daarion Naharis who is Euron Greyjoy who is Gerion Lannister kudos to you ser! best comment i've seen in a long time LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logicsbane Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 I know we all want to know what happened to BenJen....but it is possible that the series will end with his fate being an u solved mystery.....but that would suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logicsbane Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 This quote is interesting because it bring up the "Always be a Stark in Winterfell" line again... This shows that they take it very VERY seriously. Benjen went to join his Stark ancestors, the Others. It is known. Hmmmm.....Ned did dismiss the notion of the Others somewhat when he executed the deserter early in the series. It doesn't really seem the dismissive type....the way he brushed of the claims that the Others were coming never did sit right with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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