Small questions v.10006

[Lost Melnibonean]

Is it normal for Jon Con to introduce Aegon to the GC as the first born son of Rhaegar? Why not just say son of Rhaegar? Seems kinda weird to say it like that when its thought that he only had 1 son.

Because Rhaegar's buddy Jon knew that Rhaegar's other buddies Dayne and Whent helped Rhaegar kidnap Lyanna. And Jon knew why Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna. And Jon Connington may even know about Jon Snow.

[RumHam]

Now that Arya has had her face removed can someone else wear it? No reason why anyone would want to but if they did.

They did cut her during the procedure, but they did not cut her face off.

Then came a tug and a soft rustling as the new face was pulled down over the old.

Well it really doesn't matter. I think it was a minor oversight by the author. Good night.

It might have been because Hugh had been killed in a terrible "accident" It would have been poor form in a society that stresses honor and chivalry to ask for a dead man's armor.

Do we have any definitive information on for how long Valyrian steel has been made? As in, has it been around for thousands of years or only 500+?

Oldest reference I could find was to Heartsbane (the Tarly sword) at 500+ years old.

Don't know for sure, but if the Dragonsteel mentioned in the old books Sam finds is Valyrian Steel then there's that.

[Lost Melnibonean]

It might have been because Hugh had been killed in a terrible "accident" It would have been poor form in a society that stresses honor and chivalry to ask for a dead man's armor.

So you're suggesting Ser Gregor wanted to avoid showing poor form?

[RumHam]

So you're suggesting Ser Gregor wanted to avoid showing poor form?

I'm suggesting there's a difference between say, cutting off a horse's head in a fit of rage and demanding the armor of the man you just killed supposedly by accident.

[ser naes yennet]

It might have been because Hugh had been killed in a terrible "accident" It would have been poor form in a society that stresses honor and chivalry to ask for a dead man's armor

i just assumed that if the loser died, that the tradition of losing the armor and having a chance to ransom it back, was null and coid, and the armor of the dead knight would go to the family for burial or whatever the family wanted to do with it.

i always took that tradition as an old social custom to "reward" the winner at the expense of the loser, but in a way that isn't terribly insulting or harmful to any reputations.

[Lord of Slight]

I'm sure I'm not the first person to bring this up but does anyone else think that the horn that Jon found with the dragon glass daggers and arrow heads on the FOTFM is the horn of jaramund? He gave the horn to Sam and it is again breifly mentioned in one of sams last chapters in AFFC. And since we know that mance never found the HOJ its still out there somewhere. It just seems odd that this horn has been carried with sam from the FOTFM to be mentioned out of the blue again 2 books later somewhere in the sea south of dorne when it at face value seems to be worthless.

[-Ghost-]

This isn't a question, but I don't know where else to put it. I just watched the GRRM interview on Conan from last night and he mentioned Ran, Linda, and the website on tv. That was awesome lol

[The Dornishman's Wife]

I'm sure I'm not the first person to bring this up but does anyone else think that the horn that Jon found with the dragon glass daggers and arrow heads on the FOTFM is the horn of jaramund? He gave the horn to Sam and it is again breifly mentioned in one of sams last chapters in AFFC. And since we know that mance never found the HOJ its still out there somewhere. It just seems odd that this horn has been carried with sam from the FOTFM to be mentioned out of the blue again 2 books later somewhere in the sea south of dorne when it at face value seems to be worthless.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that horn is going to be important. And being the horn of Joramun is the most plausible candidate for how it's gonna be important.

By the way, welcome to the forum Lord of Slight! :grouphug: I hope you'll like it here, someone with an eye for details like you would be an enrichment for any forum :cheers:

[The Dornishman's Wife]

This isn't a question, but I don't know where else to put it. I just watched the GRRM interview on Conan from last night and he mentioned Ran, Linda, and the website on tv. That was awesome lol

Ah, that does sound awesome. Is that interview still available online, does anyone know?

[Castellan]

Among all the resurectionist threads, has anyone discussed whether Grey Wind is definitely dead? Because one of the other direwolfs thinks at some time that their pack has lost one (Lady) and another has gone quiet. How come it can tell Lady's dead but not Grey Wind? JUst thought the Frey's might have stuck an ordinary wolf's head on Robb if the other one had got away. Hard to keep a secret like a giant wolf getting away though, I suppose.

[FittleLinger]

To all the heraldy specialists out there: Is there any house (Northern most probably) whose sigil has anything to do with wolves besides the Starks?

[TheIndigoRaven]

Just been curious about a "what if"/"how things work" - I looked around a bit and couldn't see it asked.

There are the theories that LYanna and Rhaegar are the parents of Jon Snow.

If Rhaegar had lived, and not married Lyanna, and raised Jon as his bastard, how does the last name bit work for that. Would he be Jon Sand (being born down in the Tower of Joy in Dornish Mountains)? Would he be Jon Snow (is it after where his mother was from, Lyanna being from the North)? Or would he be Jon Waters (it being after where he was raised, assuming he'd be raised in the Crownlands at Kings Landing)?

Just wondering exactly how the whole Bastard-naming works in that sort of scenario.

[Leif]

To all the heraldy specialists out there: Is there any house (Northern most probably) whose sigil has anything to do with wolves besides the Starks?

House Cassel has ten wolf heads as their sigil. That's the only one I know of.

[-Ghost-]

Ah, that does sound awesome. Is that interview still available online, does anyone know?

There are 3 clips on WiC, but I think they edited it down. I found this full interview on YouTube though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=409ExtWrSJs

[The Dornishman's Wife]

There are 3 clips on WiC, but I think they edited it down. I found this full interview on YouTube though.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=409ExtWrSJs

Thanks, appreciate it! :cheers:

[Jon Sand]

I read somewhere that in some part of the story in the next two books (possibly A Dream of Spring) will have a shift of 5 years ahead of the previous books and happenings. This would happen for the young characters to develop to their full potential.

Does anyone know if it's true ?

[Lady Nastja]

Just been curious about a "what if"/"how things work" - I looked around a bit and couldn't see it asked.

There are the theories that LYanna and Rhaegar are the parents of Jon Snow.

If Rhaegar had lived, and not married Lyanna, and raised Jon as his bastard, how does the last name bit work for that. Would he be Jon Sand (being born down in the Tower of Joy in Dornish Mountains)? Would he be Jon Snow (is it after where his mother was from, Lyanna being from the North)? Or would he be Jon Waters (it being after where he was raised, assuming he'd be raised in the Crownlands at Kings Landing)?

Just wondering exactly how the whole Bastard-naming works in that sort of scenario.

All parents choose their children's names. If he is a bastard, they could choose from the set of already established bastard names, or they could create a new name for their son/daughter (Anything from Stargaryen, to Spoon.). AFAIK, Any noble children can be given new names, but their family names are preferred as there is power in a name.

[-Ghost-]

I read somewhere that in some part of the story in the next two books (possibly A Dream of Spring) will have a shift of 5 years ahead of the previous books and happenings. This would happen for the young characters to develop to their full potential.

Does anyone know if it's true ?

This idea was scrapped by George. I believe it was supposed to be after ASoS.

[Ser Smoke-A-Lot]

From the previous topic

It's on the maps that were published but just like Ulthos I think it is mainly just to fill in space. Or perhaps when he finishes this story it gives him more places to go if he writes other stories set in the same universe.

I'm beginning to wonder about this too, if Thoros can revive Berric as often as he has without a sacrifice, then either it's not required or Mel just isn't as good as she thinks she is.

Or perhaps the reason Beric and Catelyn have come back so messed up is because Thoros has not performed a sacrifice.

[Anook of the North]

A line from "the Kingbreaker" (3rd last chapter ADWD! has been bothering me for a while now.

Ser Barristan has just finished training his young knights for the day, and is pondering the past.

He thinks

"I'm not made for this... plots, ploys, whispers, lies, secrets within secrets, and somehow I have become a part of them.

Perhaps by now he should have grown used to such things. The Red Keep had its secrets too. Even Rhaegar. The Prince of Dragonstone had never trusted him as he had trusted Arthur Dayne. Harrenhal was proof of that. The year of the false spring."

He goes on to say that the memory was still bitter, how he blames himself for not winning the tourney, if he had won then Rhaegar wouldn't have crowned Lyanna as queen of love and beauty, if he had won and crowned Ashara then maybe she would have "looked to him instead of Stark". However, theres not a word about why he should say that harrenhal proved that Rheagar trusted Dayne more than barristan.

At first I just assumed that he was referring to the fact that Dayne helped Rhaegar abscond with Lyanna, but the longer i thought about it, the less that made sense. Lyannas disappearance happened approx. a year after the tourney, so why would harrenhal be "proof of that"? Were they plotting the third child (that Rhaegar insisted he must have) at that point?

What on earth did Rhaegar entrust Arthur Dayne with at Harrenhal? "Secrets, plots, ploys and whispers?" The "secret" that he liked Lyanna? He let that secret be known straight away, so I don't think hes referring to that. I think i MUST be missing something here!! Please Help!!

Why was Harrenhal proof of Rhaegar's trust in Dayne???