Winterfeld Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 I just watched it. Its was a great episode. Yes, the ending was quite lame and it sucked that they didnt show LS and that Jaime arrived in KL bevor the PW, but everything else was great. OK, i dont care much about the fate of Theon. I never did. I always skipped through his chapters most of the time after the fall of Winterfell, until they where all back again in Winterfell. I liked all the conversations between the characters and Arya murdering the Frey Man-At-Arms was a WAU moment. I liked the hound and his complains, that she shall tell him in the future when she want to kill someone :devil:. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khal Pono Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 (edited) Why is everyone bitching about there being no Lady Stoneheart?In the books she isn't revealed until the very end of book 3 which would equate to the end of Season 4 onscreen.Also it's a better idea to have nonreaders think she's dead for a long time before shocking them with her return.Having her come back the very week after the red wedding would really soften the impact of her murder. Edited June 10, 2013 by Khal Pono Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~DarkHorse~ Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 It's funny how all the Dany fans seem to adore this episode while all the Stannis lovers are enraged. Anyway, the cheesy ending was a big let down and such a poor way to end a season filled with epic scenes. Overall- 6/10 for it being a finale but if it was episode 6 or 7 it would have been 9/10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Killer Snark Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 (edited) Arale - The ending I actually liked, but it was ever so slightly corny. In the books, it works far better that she does a victory lap while the people cheer her on her horse. I've given it a 9 though. Quietly brilliant. Substantial alterations to the source material throughout, though some of these are improvements, and most work well within the context of the series. It's easy enough to complain about the whitewashing of Shae, however, or the continuing portrayal of morally absolutist Stannis as a psychopath, or hypersmart Jon Snow as a bit of a bumpkin. I'll let that slide and focus on it being a well-structured and overall well-written episode which managed to at least condense enough of ASOIAF's plot strands together to maintain the interest of non-readers, I reckon, still getting over the events of last week. Edited June 10, 2013 by The Killer Snark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khal Pono Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Also how is the Mhysa scene on TV any different or less "corny" than it was on the books? Seemed pretty faithful to me, I think the only thing missing was her horse.I happened to think the way they stylized it was pretty cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Hound Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Why is everyone bitching about there being no Lady Stoneheart.In the books she isn't revealed until the ver end of book 3 which would equate to the end of Season 4 onscreen.Also it's a better idea to have nonreaders think she's dead for a long time before shocking them with her return.Having her come back the very week after the red wedding would really soften the impact of her murder.Lady Stoneheart is revealed barely 300 pages after the Red Wedding. According to your logic, we shouldn't have gotten the Red Wedding yet, as it happens in the second half of the third book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Storm King Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 (edited) the end scene was really cheesy but that does happen in the books as well and i think there wouldnt be an un-cheesy way to do itit was just setting up for next season but i was confounded as to why they got jaime back so quickly Edited June 10, 2013 by The Storm King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Antony Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Lady Stoneheart is revealed barely 300 pages after the Red Wedding. Plus it happens only 3 days after the RW, It would of made perfect sense to close the season imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Storm King Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 yeah lady stoneheart would have been a perfect season finale. it would have been in sync with the other seasons as well having some magic at the end of each season:one: dragonstwo: white walkersthree: lady stoneheartah well i guess it wasnt meant to be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Killer Snark Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 (edited) Bringing in Lady Stoneheart so soon would not work. A lot of readers, including myself, thought it was a fairly silly way of ending ASoS and didn't see much point in it. Even after so many pages, it seems to desecrate the pathos of the RW. It isn't till the next novel that the idea makes perfect sense. And she'd just be hanging in limbo anyway, not doing anything for at least a season before she narratively reappears.Part of the reason why the Theon stuff is happening now instead of a few seasons off is to introduce Ramsay, who was missing in the second season, and also to fill the viewer in on what's going on with him televisually, since it wouldn't work in the series to give the details of his torture in the Dreadfort just in flashbacks, as in the books. Edited June 10, 2013 by The Killer Snark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javi Marcos Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Set-up episode. I was expecting Coldhands and Lady Stoneheart. The chapter is good (I loved the Dragonstone dynamic) but I was expecting something more intense.8.5/10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taroleon Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 10 months is a lot of sinking.Pretty much my take as well. And it seemed to leave hanging all the Beric/Thoros foreshadowing. That's 10 months of forgetting as well.Solid episode, but at least an intro to LS (as others have said- 'a kiss of life'- eyes open type twist) would have been a more engaging last scene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cordite Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 And Reek appeared when? Dance.But if you think about, we never actually read when Ramsay is actually beginning the torture with Theon, it makes sense that it is in now because in Dance he has already been tortured and we just read what Theon remembers/experienced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExBruinsFan Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Why is everyone bitching about there being no Lady Stoneheart?In the books she isn't revealed until the very end of book 3 which would equate to the end of Season 4 onscreen.Also it's a better idea to have nonreaders think she's dead for a long time before shocking them with her return.Having her come back the very week after the red wedding would really soften the impact of her murder.Lessing the impact of the RW is why people thought it would be done. Even if all they did was suggest that Cat might not really be gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Killer Snark Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 (edited) Theon has been getting tortured by Ramsay for some considerable time before he reappears in ADwD, so what is happening now is chronologically in keeping with events elsewhere in both series'. Lady Stoneheart analogies are not valid; she doesn't even appear until the end of the novel, and is shown in a prophecy first, though this part has been skipped in the programme: but she has nothing to do anyway in the narrative until the second half of the fourth book. Far too soon after the RW to include her; it would retrospectively derail the ending of episode 9. Edited June 10, 2013 by The Killer Snark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maizel Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 (edited) And the Tyrion whitewashing continues.Though, I do not have too many problems with it anymore.The show clearly stands on it's own.Compared to any other television, every episode of AGOT should be a 10/10 in my opinion.However, we are all lovers of the book, so the show suffers in our eyes.I'll give this episode a 8/10. Great TV, but the departures from the books may become a bigger and bigger pill to swallow for some. Edited June 10, 2013 by Maizel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Fox Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 (edited) STONEHEART would have worked great as a finale. We still have Robb and Talisa dead, as well as Arya being completely mindfucked from seeing her brother's massacred body. Catelyn coming back to life as a vengeful zombie wouldn't have lessened the damage that's been dealt to the Starks at all. And it would have been far, far better than that terrible Mhysa scene. Edited June 10, 2013 by Element_Engine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Killer Snark Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 I find the changes refreshing, when they work, because I read and finished the novels for the first time back to back by February this year. So they are still very fresh in my mind enough that certain narrative arcs might slightly underwhelm me if they were slavishly taken from the books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maizel Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 And before I forget, Jack Gleeson is quickly becoming one of my favorite actors. He seemed like a giddy schoolgirl in that one scene.Man, he is awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExBruinsFan Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 And before I forget,Jack Gleeson is quickly becoming one of my favorite actors. He seemed like a giddy schoolgirl in that one scene.Man, he is awesome.The producers agree. He's coming back to play Stannis in season five. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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