A Man Has Said Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Jon IS Ned's son. No question. He has the very, very rare abilities of a skinchanger*, which no-one else born south of the wall has except -- that's right -- the children of Ned Stark.Something that just occurred to me.* - Even north of the wall we only know of four skinchangers that I can think of; Varamyr six-skins, Orrel, Borroq and Bloodraven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Flashheart Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Blood of the first men seems to be all that is required. Something both Ned and Lyanna had. Woof! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis Iron Baratheon Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Or possibley the Grandchildren of Rickard Stark and his wife, it could have passed down either of their genetic lines and these kids are just the first to get direwolves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Well, one of the groups on the Iron Islands is rumored to possess skinchangers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Bee Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Or possibley the Grandchildren of Rickard Stark and his wife, it could have passed down either of their genetic lines and these kids are just the first to get direwolves.I like this.The direwolve's presence awakened their warging abilities. Kind of like in the House of The Undying, Dany and her dragons made the warlock's magic stronger.I never even thought of that, or seen that idea on here.Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Pepper Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Jon IS Ned's son. No question. He has the very, very rare abilities of a skinchanger*, which no-one else born south of the wall has except -- that's right -- the children of Ned Stark.Something that just occurred to me.* - Even north of the wall we only know of four skinchangers that I can think of; Varamyr six-skins, Orrel, Borroq and Bloodraven.Bloodraven was south of the wall before he was north of it. North of the wall, we only know of the ones who mentioned, plus Haggon. That doesn't mean there aren't more. We also don't know if there aren't any other skinchangers south of the wall. In any case, Lyanna and Ned shared the same blood, so any descendants of Lyanna's could have the same gifts as any descendants of Ned. Skinchanging is rare enough that it's a statistical anomaly that all of the Starks in a single generation were wargs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theli Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 N+L=J :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Hound! Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 that is sick Theli :uhoh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodor knows Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Jon IS Ned's son. No question. He has the very, very rare abilities of a skinchanger*, which no-one else born south of the wall has except -- that's right -- the children of Ned Stark.Something that just occurred to me.* - Even north of the wall we only know of four skinchangers that I can think of; Varamyr six-skins, Orrel, Borroq and Bloodraven. If this is how you feel, what do you think Ned promised? Just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nami Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 I'm pretty sure it runs in the Stark bloodJon is still a Stark if he is Lyanna's son you know?Ned wasn't a skinchanger and his kids got itIt's like the madness with the Targs, some got the crazy gene, others don't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Man Has Said Posted June 24, 2013 Author Share Posted June 24, 2013 Blood of the first men seems to be all that is required. Something both Ned and Lyanna had. Woof!If that were true there would be far more skinchangers. Most everybody north of the Neck (and many in the Iron Islands) are descended from the First Men. On both sides of the wall.Or possibly the Grandchildren of Rickard Stark and his wife, it could have passed down either of their genetic lines and these kids are just the first to get direwolves.Mayhaps, but only because it's a work of fiction. The fact remains that only the children of Ned Stark are known to have this rare gift. It seems to be a very specific genetic mutation. I'll have to accept the argument, but only because I'm not a geneticist. :P In reality, I don't think it would work that way.I guess the pertinent question to ask would be; do we know of any skinchangers in the Stark line prior to this batch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ygrain Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 If this is how you feel, what do you think Ned promised? Just curious.This - and much and more. Too many things do not make sense if Jon is Ned's son by Wylla/fisherman's daughter/Ashara, but fit for a son of Rhaegar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterJack Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 N+L=J :thumbsup:or B+L=J, but I think Lyanna"kidnapping" and Jon's birth is >> 9months :(,Benjen raping Lyanna and the Stark family trying to hide this, "for the family honor", and then her running to rhaegar, the man with power who showed her once some kind of interest, to hide herself. Then Benjen out of shame, later joins the NW... this is horrible but some much better than Rhaegar cheated his wife because in the past it was once or twice OK to do it. :PAnd for the OP, whoever is Jon DNA origin, his true father will always be Ned, and he will always be a Stark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nami Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 You think incest rape is better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterJack Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 You think incest rape is better?Tragic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tydides Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Well, one of the groups on the Iron Islands is rumored to possess skinchangers.they could also be descendents of the first men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ygrain Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 If that were true there would be far more skinchangers. Most everybody north of the Neck (and many in the Iron Islands) are descended from the First Men. On both sides of the wall.Mayhaps, but only because it's a work of fiction. The fact remains that only the children of Ned Stark are known to have this rare gift. It seems to be a very specific genetic mutation. I'll have to accept the argument, but only because I'm not a geneticist. :P In reality, I don't think it would work that way.I guess the pertinent question to ask would be; do we know of any skinchangers in the Stark line prior to this batch?We do know that Brandon and Lyanna were exceptionally good riders ("half horse", "centaurs"), which might be a hint at some degree of warging.We do not know who Ned's mother was and GRRM mentioned that there is a backstory to her, so here might be the answer why the Starks are able to warg now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 And once again, due to lack of evidence, the theory about Jon being Ned`s son fails to prove right. Better luck next time, or whatever luck one can expect from beating a dead horse... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewingedwolf Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Well, one of the groups on the Iron Islands is rumored to possess skinchangers.House Farwynd is rumored to warg into Walruses . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewingedwolf Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 And once again, due to lack of evidence, the theory about Jon being Ned`s son fails to prove right. Better luck next time, or whatever luck one can expect from beating a dead horse...Be nice. They try . . . you can't fault them. We had thought of similar things before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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