thetitansbastard Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 How about actually reading the arguments I've already made which a) answer why I think they should be treated the same - due to the impact on attitudes towards rape that allowing this distinction seems to be happening, and B) says that I think the law needs to be changed regarding couples who are close in age above/below the age of consent to ensure that this doesn't happen.I'd be fine with saying anyone under 21 can legally have consensual sexual relations with anyone within, say, 2.5 years of their age. Otherwise you gotta be 21. something along those lines. But within those guidelines, there are still more serious offenses than others. Forcible rape is still way worse than consensual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecryptile Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 A close in age exception is reasonable. I don't see any problems with it. Many states have it. But when I see "consensual rape" it raises my hackles. There is no such thing. When I hear BS like "she was chasing him" I don't know whether to laugh or get pissed off. It's just ridiculous, grown men shouldn't be having sex with children. It's that simple. I used to work at a factory where one of the supervisors was convicted of raping his 12 year old step-daughter, and people would defend this asshole with these types of arguments. A grown man can resist the temptations of a young girl. It's just ridiculous to say otherwise. ETA: I would also like to add that the reaction of many to female rapists with young male victims is just as stupid. A grown woman shouldn't have sex with children either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karaddin Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 A close in age exception is reasonable. I don't see any problems with it. Many states have it.But when I see "consensual rape" it raises my hackles. There is no such thing. When I hear BS like "she was chasing him" I don't know whether to laugh or get pissed off. It's just ridiculous, grown men shouldn't be having sex with children. It's that simple. I used to work at a factory where one of the supervisors was convicted of raping his 12 year old step-daughter, and people would defend this asshole with these types of arguments. A grown man can resist the temptations of a young girl. Its just ridiculous to say otherwise.Wow I can't believe a topic has come up to cause this, but I'm quoting cryptile for truth.There is no "consensual rape" which is why I put it in quotes, I'm referring to the concept other people are using - rape is non consensual by definition. Whether that's because consent was not given, or the person in question is incapable of giving consent, there is no consent there. Kids cannot consent to sex with adults, and any adult who thinks its OK just because the little girl was into is fucked up. The same goes for any adult who thinks it's OK if it's an adult woman and a young boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetitansbastard Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 But when I see "consensual rape" it raises my hackles. There is no such thing.I agree, just using to differentiate from forcible. Death to anyone convicted of forcible rape, or for anyone over 18 with consensual if victim under say, 14. If victim over 14 I would say 20 years imprisonment for rapist over 18, and ten years if rapist under 18 but more than 2.5 years older than victim. If victim above 16 (but under 21), maybe 2-5 years if rapist over 2.5 older than victim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueMetis Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Then it's not really the age of consent is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grey Wolf Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 If it were up to me the age of consent would simply be the same age required to be legally an adult. In America's case that would be 18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Of House Hill Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 FFS, will everyone cut the BS about consensual rape. A minor cannot give consent. Therefore, it was not consensual. If you don't like the law, vote to change it, but I guarantee I'll cancel your vote out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetitansbastard Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Then it's not really the age of consent is it?True. 16 then. Also, if rapist under 18 and victim under 14, I guess that should go in the 20 year imprisonment category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetitansbastard Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 A minor cannot give consent. In most U.S. states, age of consent is 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grey Wolf Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Consensual rape is an oxymoron. The two words inherently contradict one another and if the validity of that fact is doubted by some they need to check the dictionary. End of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetitansbastard Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Consensual rape is an oxymoron. The two words inherently contradict one another and if the validity of that fact is doubted by some they need to check the dictionary. End of story.Lets use non-forcible to differentiate from forcible going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grey Wolf Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 thetitansbastard, in that case we need to raise the age of consent in my opinion and standardize it on a national scale too. Its absurd to me that each state should have its own age of consent and its own view of what age a minor should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grey Wolf Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 thetitansbastard you kind of lost me there. Can you explain please what you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetitansbastard Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 thetitansbastard, in that case we need to raise the age of consent in my opinion and standardize it on a national scale too. Its absurd to me that each state should have its own age of consent and its own view of what age a minor should be.yeah thats kind of where I was going, but with close-in-age parameters for those under the age of consent (which should be 21 imo) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecryptile Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 In most U.S. states, age of consent is 16The federal age of consent is 18, and 11 US states follow this guideline. My state is one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlefingers In The Air Posted August 30, 2013 Author Share Posted August 30, 2013 I tend to think of all rape as rape. I'm not against putting degrees on the definitions for specific instances and punishments, but a rapist is a rapist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grey Wolf Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 :agree: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetitansbastard Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 thetitansbastard you kind of lost me there. Can you explain please what you mean?Nonforicible vs. forcible? If a 16 year old willingly has sex with a 22 year old, it should be considered non-forcible rape and punishable by imprisonment, as opposed to the 22 year old who has sex with the 16 year old against his will which is forcible rape and should be punishable by death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grey Wolf Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Got it. Thanks for clearing that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlefingers In The Air Posted August 30, 2013 Author Share Posted August 30, 2013 That depends on if you think 16 is a reasonable age of consent, titan. In my state, Ohio, I could have sex with someone that age and have no legal ramifications. Do you see something wrong with that? I'm not sure if I do. 16 seems reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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