VladofWallachia Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Which POV Starks will be left standing?All of them, unless Arya will betray the Faceless Men. Which POV Lannisters will be left standing?All. I don't think that Cersei will die until Dani will cross Which POVs are most likely to die?Brienne, Aeron, Areo Will Dany have reached Westeros by the end of TWOW?Yes Will The Others have invaded Westeros by the end of TWOW?At the most, they will occupy the gifts Who will be on the Iron Throne by the end of TWOW?(F)A(k)egon Who will hold Winterfell by the end of TWOW?Stannis What mysteries will Sam uncover in Oldtown?More clues about the Others, the truth behind Pate, and a few visions from the glass candle Will Cersei win her trial?Yes Is Aegon fake?50/50 Is Jon still alive?Inside Ghost If so, will Jon have found out his true heritage by the end of TWOW (and how)?If the Great Northern Conspiracy is true, then after the defeat of the Boltons the ones who have been to Greywater (Maege Mormont, Galbart Glover etc.) will arrive with a confidential message from Howland to Jon What role will Dorne play?They will champion Fakegon What role will the Iron Islands play?They will be Dani's fleet Which mystery/theory would you most like to be solved in TWOW?The Great Northern Conspiracy Will any Starks be reunited in TWOW?Jon/Rickon, Sansa/Arya Will Jaime help Stoneheart bring down the Lannisters/Freys?The Freys first... I have a sneaking suspicion that old Walder Frey will outlive all of his brood. That would be the ultimate irony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Onaventea Helms Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Which POV Starks will be left standing?All of them Which POV Lannisters will be left standing?All of them Which POVs are most likely to die?Barristan, Aeron, Asha, JonCon, Melisandre and Areo. Will Dany have reached Westeros by the end of TWOW?Yes Will The Others have invaded Westeros by the end of TWOW?Yes and heading down to the South Who will be on the Iron Throne by the end of TWOW?Tommen for the majority, then overthrown by Euron about 3/4 through Who will hold Winterfell by the end of TWOW?Rickon What mysteries will Sam uncover in Oldtown?The Other's origin, the Faceless Man's history and ultimate role in the Game of Thrones Will Cersei win her trial?Yes Is Aegon fake?Yes, but it won't matter match. He'll continue being called a Targaryen and deny any other rumors that he isn't. Is Jon still alive?Yes If so, will Jon have found out his true heritage by the end of TWOW (and how)?After going to Winterfell, Howland Reed will take either take him to the Weirwood Tree or the Crypts to tell him who his true parents are. What role will Dorne play?Dorne will hear an altered version of Quentyn's death: that Daenerys unleashed her dragons on the young Prince and let him suffer. Arianne will marry Aegon, and send ships to the Stormlands to rally with him. That will conclude their POV's for a while. What role will the Iron Islands play?Will actually be pretty major in this book. Euron will send a small fleet of men to take Lannisport and siege Casterly Rock. Meanwhile, Euron and majority of his forces will march through Westeros burning and pillaging all the way to King's Landing, and take the Iron Throne. Cersei and Tommen would have fled King's Landing or be in hiding somewhere in Flea Bottom. The Tyrells will be hostages, Margaery would have been raped and beaten to a pulp by then. Victarion won't force Daenarys to marry him or even go against her causes, but aid her in his brother's downfall. Which mystery/theory would you most like to be solved in TWOW?Origins of the Others, Benjen's fate, Who really is AA and the role the Faceless Men have to play in the books. Will any Starks be reunited in TWOW?Jon and Rickon. Jon will learn about how his brother was sent North of the Wall. Will Jaime help Stoneheart bring down the Lannisters/Freys?Yes. This will be the start of his true redemption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Elsa Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Which POV Starks will be left standing? All of them. Which POV Lannisters will be left standing?Cersei, Jaime, Tyrion. Which POVs are most likely to die?Victarion, JonCon, Theon, Brienne, Davos (?), Areo Hotah, Barristan... Will Dany have reached Westeros by the end of TWOW?Yes. Will The Others have invaded Westeros by the end of TWOW?Not the whole Westeros but mostly North. Who will be on the Iron Throne by the end of TWOW?FAegon (so Dany can have it by the end of ADOS :P) Who will hold Winterfell by the end of TWOW?Someone will but not a Stark. What mysteries will Sam uncover in Oldtown?Things about the Others, the Long Night, Dragons, and some secret about the Citadel. Will Cersei win her trial?Yes. Is Aegon fake?Yes. Is Jon still alive?Alive in Ghost. If so, will Jon have found out his true heritage by the end of TWOW (and how)?The readers will but not Jon. What role will Dorne play?Ignite DWD 2.0 by supporting Aegon. What role will the Iron Islands play?Bring a dragon to Westeros. Which mystery/theory would you most like to be solved in TWOW?Who Azor Ahai is really. Will any Starks be reunited in TWOW?Close encounter, yes, but no reunion. Will Jaime help Stoneheart bring down the Lannisters/Freys?Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waffen Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Which POV Starks will be left standing?All Which POV Lannisters will be left standing?Jaime, Tyrion, and Cersei Which POVs are most likely to die?Victarion, Barristan, and Brienne Will Dany have reached Westeros by the end of TWOW?Yes Will The Others have invaded Westeros by the end of TWOW?They will have breached The Wall Who will be on the Iron Throne by the end of TWOW?Aegon Who will hold Winterfell by the end of TWOW?Rickon/Northern Lords What mysteries will Sam uncover in Oldtown?Dragonlore, the Maester's Grand Plot, and information on The Others Will Cersei win her trial?Yes Is Aegon fake?No Is Jon still alive?Yes, but barely clinging onto life. If so, will Jon have found out his true heritage by the end of TWOW (and how)?No. Brann will though. What role will Dorne play?Assisting Aegon in taking the Crownlands. What role will the Iron Islands play?Conquering the Reach and possibly instigating the Westerlands & Crownlands Which mystery/theory would you most like to be solved in TWOW?Jon Snow Heritage & Others Will any Starks be reunited in TWOW?None Will Jaime help Stoneheart bring down the Lannisters/Freys?Its not a stretch. My Overall Predictions follow that Stannis will not leave the north. His epiphany in the previous books was that he doesn't want to be King, but its his duty to defend the realm will keep him in the North once The Others break through. Its possible that he might be one of the first casualties in the war against the Others or he'll become a major player after the initial battle in rallying Westeros and acknowledging that the Other threat is a real one. Stannis will also defeat Roose, but Ramsay will get away and become Stannis's toughest foe yet. Rickon & Davos will return to civilization and establish a Father/Son bond.The Northern Conspiracy is silly fan wank that's on par with the fan made Mass Effect 3 indoctrination theory. I hope R+L=J isn't real or true. Its too cliche and obvious for GRRM, but we'll definitely find out what Ned's promise was. I don't think Jon will ever find out his heritage, but the readers will find it out. Margaery will die during her trial, which will put The Reach right into Aegon's hands. Aegon's camp will convince him that it wasn't the church that killed Margaery, but Cersei and the Lannisters. His motive for revenge will place the Tyrells into his hands giving Aegon Dorne & the Reach. He'll have the largest standing Army by the end of TWoW. Euron isn't planning on conquering Westeros like he wants. Hes actually looking for something in Old Town and The Reach. Aeron will lead a insurrection/revolution in the Iron Islands. Theon being alive will add legitimacy to the Kingsmoot being false.Theon won't die, but will form some sort of connection with the Old Gods (Bran) through the trees. Bran will likely use Theon as his "High Priest" type of person that communicates The Other's movements through Theon making him too valuable to kill. Theon's bastard from ACOK will make an appearance either in TWoW or ADoS. The Others are actually a different sect of CotF that are pissed off about the near genocide of their race that dove into Black Magic. Their motives are removing the humans from the entire continent of Westeros in revenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ductastic Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Which POV Starks will be left standing?All of them. Which POV Lannisters will be left standing?Cersei, Jaime, Tyrion. Which POVs are most likely to die?VIctarion, Barristan (I hope he doesn't but it seems possible), Areo Hotah (maybe during the hunt for Darkstar), JonCon (while taking King's Landing perhaps), Theon (it doesn't seem like there's much for him left in the story to do) Will Dany have reached Westeros by the end of TWOW?Yes. I'd say after hearing some news about Aegon after the Battle of Meereen she'll finally make her way to Westeros. Will The Others have invaded Westeros by the end of TWOW?They'll probably start attacking the Wall, maybe even make it past and set a foot or two in the North. Who will be on the Iron Throne by the end of TWOW?Dany Who will hold Winterfell by the end of TWOW?Someone will (it would make a good second line of defense against the Others) but I'm unsure if it will be one of the Stark kids What mysteries will Sam uncover in Oldtown?Knowledge related to the Others and the Long Night Will Cersei win her trial?Yes. (I'd like to see shit go down in King's Landing before Aegon might take it) Is Aegon fake?Yes. Is Jon still alive?Yes, in comateuse condition with Ghost keeping him alive If so, will Jon have found out his true heritage by the end of TWOW (and how)?The readers will, I'd guess via Bloodraven and Bran, Jon probably not What role will Dorne play?Ignite DWD 2.0 by supporting Aegon. What role will the Iron Islands play?- Which mystery/theory would you most like to be solved in TWOW?Jon's parantage, what the Citadel is up to, what Jaqhen at the Citadel is up to, AAR/tPtwp Will any Starks be reunited in TWOW?Yes, not all but I'd say two at least. Currently favoring Jon&Sansa and Jon&Rickon Will Jaime help Stoneheart bring down the Lannisters/Freys?Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambi76 Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 Which POV Starks will be left standing?Most likely all Which POV Lannisters will be left standing?Only Jaime (if we're lucky) Which POVs are most likely to die?Cersei, some killGreyjoys, Barristan & Tyrion (if we're lucky), JonCon Will Dany have reached Westeros by the end of TWOW?Yes Will The Others have invaded Westeros by the end of TWOW?Yes Who will be on the Iron Throne by the end of TWOW?Stannis Who will hold Winterfell by the end of TWOW?Rickon/Northern Lords What mysteries will Sam uncover in Oldtown?Whatever helps to move the plot forward Will Cersei win her trial?No (I think the queens trails will be called off actually) Is Aegon fake? :dunno: Is Jon still alive?In some kind of fashion If so, will Jon have found out his true heritage by the end of TWOW (and how)?No. Someone will though What role will Dorne play?Proping Aegon (against Dany) What role will the Iron Islands play?Fucking shit up Which mystery/theory would you most like to be solved in TWOW?Jon Snow's ture heritage Will any Starks be reunited in TWOW?Sansa & Arya Will Jaime help Stoneheart bring down the Lannisters/Freys?No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Scream Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 Which POV Starks will be left standing? All of them Which POV Lannisters will be left standing? Tyrion, Jaime, Cersei Which POVs are most likely to die? Victarion, Brienne & Asha Will Dany have reached Westeros by the end of TWOW? Only just reached Westeros Will The Others have invaded Westeros by the end of TWOW? I think the Wall will fall, the Others stopping at nothing to march on Westeros. Who will be on the Iron Throne by the end of TWOW? Tommen Who will hold Winterfell by the end of TWOW? Stannis What mysteries will Sam uncover in Oldtown? Not sure really, I'd like to say that he finds Robb Stark's will but I doubt that was ever sent from Howland Reed to the citadel. Will Cersei win her trial? Yes Is Aegon fake? Yes Is Jon still alive? Yes, either through warging Ghost or Melisandre asks the Lord of Light to heal him. If so, will Jon have found out his true heritage by the end of TWOW (and how)? Yes, maybe. Howland Reed must make an appearance at some point. What role will Dorne play? Doran Martell will see Aegon as a pretender and play it out until Dany arrives, but if he learns that Quentyn is dead at the hands of a dragon he may mourn and march his army on Kings Landing. What role will the Iron Islands play? Slowly working their way up towards Kings Landing, and will face the power of the Lannisters/Highgarden and Aegon's army. A threeway battle. Which mystery/theory would you most like to be solved in TWOW? Either Jon's heritage as Robb's heir/Rhaegar's son, OR what Bran/Arya are planning to do in their new roles. Will any Starks be reunited in TWOW? Rickon and Jon, probably. Will Jaime help Stoneheart bring down the Lannisters/Freys? I believe Jaime will make a run for it with Podrick and Brienne dies at the hands of the outlaws and Stoneheart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Lunny Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Which POV Starks will be left standing?All of them Which POV Lannisters will be left standing?Jaime, Tyrion and Cercei Which POVs are most likely to dieJonn Connington, Barristan, Brienne, Mel, Areo Hotah Will Dany have reached Westeros by the end of TWOW?Yes, lands in the last chapter. Will The Others have invaded Westeros by the end of TWOW?Yes Who will be on the Iron Throne by the end of TWOW?Aegon Who will hold Winterfell by the end of TWOW?Jon Snow What mysteries will Sam uncover in Oldtown?I have no idea. Will Cersei win her trial?Yes Is Aegon fake?Yes Is Jon still alive?Yes If so, will Jon have found out his true heritage by the end of TWOW (and how)?No, he'll find it out from Howland Reed whilst falling back from the others in ADOS What role will Dorne play?Aids Aegon in claiming the throne What role will the Iron Islands play?Attacking the Reach and eventually Highgarden leads to the Tyrells forces being stretched, unintentionally aiding Aegon in claiming the throne. Which mystery/theory would you most like to be solved in TWOW?Pink Letter.What caused the Doom Will any Starks be reunited in TWOW?Maybe Jon and Rickon Will Jaime help Stoneheart bring down the Lannisters/Freys?Yes he'll play some part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Good idea for a thread an interesting questions.. Which POV Starks will be left standing?All that're left, although I think Arya will die in ADOS. Which POV Lannisters will be left standing?The brothas. Which POVs are most likely to die?Cersei, Connington, Victarian, Barristan, Areo, Mel, prologue! Will Dany have reached Westeros by the end of TWOW?One would hope but my inclination is she'll be approaching - very close. Will The Others have invaded Westeros by the end of TWOW?I'll say they'll definitely be south of the wall, perhaps as far as Winterfell but that's it. Who will be on the Iron Throne by the end of TWOW?Hm. Aegon. Who will hold Winterfell by the end of TWOW?Rickon with Glover, Manderly and the Umber uncles watching his back. What mysteries will Sam uncover in Oldtown?Um, I dunno that's why they're mysteries. Obviously something about the Faceless Men and/or the Maesters' motives. I suppose I anticipate there is some type of a cabal between the two orgs that is dedicated to destroying all magic - actually opposed to R'hllor in contradiction to what others have speculated. Will Cersei win her trial?Yes Is Aegon fake?They're all fake! /smartass. My heart says no but my head says yes in terms of him being a Blackfyre/part of a more elaborate conspiracy engineered by Varys/Illyrio. I don't really care, and would hope Martin starts concluding storylines, but that's pipe dreaming. Is Jon still alive?Yes, think we'll get at least one Ghost POV chapter; been foreshadowed. If so, will Jon have found out his true heritage by the end of TWOW (and how)?Yeah gotta figure Howland, Galbert and Maege show up eventually. Used to be inclined to think Bran would somehow inform him but prefer the former now. What role will Dorne play?They will join Aegon's cause through an Arianne marriage and aid in a sack of King's Landing. What role will the Iron Islands play?Well, in terms of Westerosi-centered events, be pushed back by the Tyrells, but Euron will not be there. Don't have any other predictions beyond that, just hope I don't have to read too many Victarian and/or Damphair POVs. Which mystery/theory would you most like to be solved in TWOW?Prolly R + L = J but more interestingly I'd like Red Wedding 2 to happen. Will any Starks be reunited in TWOW?In person? Don't think so. Will Jaime help Stoneheart bring down the Lannisters/Freys?Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razha Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Which POV Starks will be left standing?All of them + Davos acting as POV for Rickon Which POV Lannisters will be left standing?Jaime, Tyrion and Cercei (Cercei might die at the very end of TWOW) Which POVs are most likely to die?Definitely - JonCon, Barristan, Probably: Cersei, Victarion, Aeron; Also possibly - Areo, Brienne Will Dany have reached Westeros by the end of TWOW?No, unless she just arrives there in her last chapter. Will The Others have invaded Westeros by the end of TWOW?They will have breached The Wall (collapse of wall could make a good epilogue scene), invasion is left for ADOS. Who will be on the Iron Throne by the end of TWOW?Either Aegon or Euron Who will hold Winterfell by the end of TWOW?Rickon What mysteries will Sam uncover in Oldtown?The truth of Maesters role in destroying dragons/magic (including possibly the summerhal tragedy) Will Cersei win her trial?Yes Is Aegon fake?Yes, but it doesn't really matter for everyone exept Danny (actually he might turn better ruler/human being if he is fake and worse - if he is true targ) Is Jon still alive?Yes, warged into Ghost If so, will Jon have found out his true heritage by the end of TWOW (and how)?No - only in ADOS What role will Dorne play?News of Quentyns death arrives in a skewed way ("evil queen fed foreign prince to dragons") - the truth will be known much later - too late. The news of boy's death will devastate/kill Doran, Arianne and Co will support Aegon, Sandsnakes kill tommen, have effect on the Margery's trial. What role will the Iron Islands play?Euron invades the mainland and becomes main bad guy of TWOW, he has at least 1 dragon, his confrontation with Aegon will be one of the main plot points Which mystery/theory would you most like to be solved in TWOW?The Great Northern Conspiracy, Pink Letter, What caused the Doom Will any Starks be reunited in TWOW?No, with the exeption of Bran communicating with at least one of his siblings through weirwood/craw/Theon/whatever Will Jaime help Stoneheart bring down the Lannisters/Freys?Yes, and will end up killing Cersei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernmonkey Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Which POV Starks will be left standing?All of them. Which POV Lannisters will be left standing?Tyrion and Cersei Which POVs are most likely to die?Areo Hotah, Jaime, Barristan, Victarion, Connington Will Dany have reached Westeros by the end of TWOW?Yes Will The Others have invaded Westeros by the end of TWOW?They will have breached the wall.. Who will be on the Iron Throne by the end of TWOW?Aegon Who will hold Winterfell by the end of TWOW?Sansa What mysteries will Sam uncover in Oldtown?I don't really know Will Cersei win her trial?Yes Is Aegon fake?Yes Is Jon still alive?Yes. If so, will Jon have found out his true heritage by the end of TWOW (and how)?No What role will Dorne play?A key role in taking down the Lannisters to help Aegon, and one of the Sandsnakes will kill Tommen. What role will the Iron Islands play?I think that Victarion will help Dany reach Westeros, before being killed by Euron. I really don't know about Euron in relation to Dany and the dragons. Which mystery/theory would you most like to be solved in TWOW?What is Bloodraven's plan? and what is Benjen up to? and are the two related? Will any Starks be reunited in TWOW?Arya and Sansa. Will Jaime help Stoneheart bring down the Lannisters/Freys?Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Table8 Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Which POV Starks will be left standing?All Which POV Lannisters will be left standing?Jaime, Tyrion Which POVs are most likely to die?Cersei, Theon, Victarion, Barristan, Ramsay, Will Dany have reached Westeros by the end of TWOW?No, but in transit on Drogon Will The Others have invaded Westeros by the end of TWOW?They will have breached The Wall Who will be on the Iron Throne by the end of TWOW?Aegon (100% conviction) Who will hold Winterfell by the end of TWOW?Jon What mysteries will Sam uncover in Oldtown?Glass candle powers, will unwittingly bring down the wall. Will Cersei win her trial?No, Sandor kills Strong and is sentenced to death by the Faith Is Aegon fake?Yes Is Jon still alive?Yes, warged into Ghost If so, will Jon have found out his true heritage by the end of TWOW (and how)?Yes, through Bran What role will Dorne play?They will kill Myrcella and side with Aegon (the Faith will as well), giving him KL (without a fight - the combined might of the golden co., Dorne and the faith will lead to KL simply opening the doors and celebrating the arrival of the new king. What role will the Iron Islands play?Their attacks on the Reach will help Aegon's case to ascend the throne. Aeron will awaken a great kraken. Euron is secretly in Meereen and will capture a dragon or two, killing Vic in the process. Which mystery/theory would you most like to be solved in TWOW?N/a. I want the feeling that the story can be wrapped up in one more book. Will any Starks be reunited in TWOW?Jon and Bran Will Jaime help Stoneheart bring down the Lannisters/Freys?No, he will kill Brienne with ol' lefty in a trial by combat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmgross25 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Okay hear me out before you judge me. So I was reading some of the past threads about Jon and him being L+R=J if that is what you are looking for that isn't what you will find here. So it got me to thinking about the Political situation right before the Tourney at Harrenhal. Which got me to thinking about Lyanna and why Rheagar would take her. This entire series is about family and claims to the throne. Yet it's also about how well can you make people see one thing and something else is really going on. I don't think that Harrenhal was the first move in the war against the Targs Lady Dustin tells Theon in ADWD that Lord Rickon had southern ambitions (through his maester who is a hightower by birth possible the son of Marwyn and the citadel was playing it's own game of thrones they wanted to control the prophecy. That's why there was a book in winterfell about dragons they thought that the starks were the key to the problem get back to that in a minute) and that marrying his heir to his own vassal would not do. Why? because those swords are already sworn to house Stark. I want you to think about what Rickon was trying to do with the marriages of Lyanna and Brandon. Lyanna and Robert if they were to marry Robert's family is next in line for the throne by right of blood. Robert's grandmother was the niece of Aemon targ who was related to the King his brother. Plus through the male line they are Targs not Baratheons they are only Baratheons because Orys married the daughter of the last storm King. So it's through the female line of the house that they are Baratheon. Then he wanted to marry Cat Tully to his heir Brandon the Tully's having no royal blood what so ever but the castle on the trident and her father is the lord paramount of the riverlands. Riverrun would make a nice fall back castle. Plus they can call on all of the houses of the River. With the Frey's acting as a middle stopping post between the two kingdoms. Then there is Ned being fostered in the Eyrie to a lord that doesn't have a direct heir. His sister is of no help because she's married and under the law(slavic by the way the book is set up) doesn't stop her from inheriting the throne of the Vale but it does stop her from ruling in her own right and who ever she marries they would be the lord of the Vale. Then her son but as by this time she hasn't had any male children so that's of no help because it places her daughters in the same position that Mary of England was in. Men wanting to marry her because they wanted her crown. Her husband Philippe of Spain left his wife after she refused to hand him the English treasury and the English fleet in the hands of Spain plus her parliment denied signing the documents that gave him the title of King not King consort which are too totally different things. Which is why King Henry went through some much trouble of tying to sire a male heir. That way the house of Tudor would continue through the Male line not the male branch and the female line. It's the bloodlines. Peep this. It's brillant and if I hadn't been a detective and did some research I would have totally missed this and it gives reason for the Tourney, why Rheagar choose Lyanna over Cersi and what not. It was about consolidation of the royal bloodlines. Okay So Aegon the First marries both of his sisters, now Maegor(rhaenys son) had no issue. Yet viserya' son Aenys who like at as not married his sister through Rhaenys has Jaehaerys who marries Alyanne now that's not the cool part this is where is get's twisted and it starts to makes sense. Jaehaerys hands the throne over to Viserys I who marries first an Arryan and has Rhaenys who started the civil war a dance with dragon so she's half arryan. Then Viserys has a son by a hightower Aegon II this causes the war which neither survives. So the throne passes to Aegon III who is 1/3 arryan when he marries back into the Arryan family. He leaves the throne to his brother who is 1/3 arryan. Now before I continue I would like to point out that one of Aegon's daughter's Daena the mother of the BlackFyre pretenter is part arryan and that's how the arryans are related to the Blackfyre. Now Viserys II marries his sister to produce AegonIV. He produces 4 great bastards but the one's that matter would be the males who one is all targ but because of outside marriages is part arryan(Daemon) then the next is 1/2 targ and 1/2 bracken(Bittlesteel) the last the albino is 1/2 blackwood and 1/2targ(BloodRaven who happens to be north of the wall and he's waiting for the realms of men (Jon) but I will get back to that in a minute, that had dragon and warg dreams and was marked as a wizard). Now if the arryans had joined the fight with Robb in the war of the 5 kings it would have been all of the targ bastards families fighting under the same banner. I'll get back to that. Now Aegon's son marries into Dorne making it a part of the seven kingdoms so now the Martells are apart of the Targ family bloodline. Now we don't know who but we know that after that alot of the Targ heirs and males marry outside of the family but as they don't inherit the throne they don't matter to this topic. So by the time that Aerys and his sister marry this would be the bloodlines of the Targs that we know of. Rheagar would have family ties to the Hightowers(who married into the Tyrell and Tarly family), Arryan and the BlackFyre's and have a common ancestor with the Brackens and the Blackwoods from the trident, then there is the Martells of course. Then we know from outside sources Robb when talking to his mother and his marriage to Westerling that they provided brides for house Targ on three separate times. We know that the first Jeyne Westerling that married Maegor had no children. So Grrm said that westerling would be important. If something where to happen to her brother she stands next in line to inherit the westerling lands. Keep that in mind for future reference. Now let me get back to the House of Arryan, House GreyJoy and Lannister and other house of the Vale(now some of this is speculation but it fits so bare with me). We know that Cat tells Robb that he needs to name an heir. Now my first thought is why not say Robin but as he's a child I think that's why Cat didn't even mention him as a possibility. Then she mention that his great grand aunt married in the the Junior house of Royce and from there her three daughters marries in to the Waywood, Belmore and she thinks the Templeton family. All of these houses have been in the Vale before the conquest of the Andals. Now she neglects to mention who the Lord of winterfell at this time decides to marry. Now the best way to consolidate power and claims is through marriage. So it stands to reason for Ned to have any claim to the IT then his great gran father is married to an arryan. Meaning that all of they have common ancestors and that gives the Starks a claim the IT because of their common ancestor to all three families. So if you are trying to make a break from the throne. Which is what I am suggesting Rickon was trying to do. By marrying Lyanna to the heir to the throne of the Seven Kingdoms if something where to happen to the main branch of Targs. The Baratheon's would be the junior cache of house Targ. Unlike the BlackFyre's they actually have legally binding marriages and children from these unions which is different from Daemon and him raising against the realm because he wasn't born in wed lock. Moving forward. Ned as a son of both house Stark and Arryan from the major cache through the female line would stand as Jon Arryan's as jon's closet male relative from the same line he's from. Note that the uncouth Arryan's stayed true to the crown because they were trying prove that unlike their lord they were loyal. Yet if Jon and co. lose the war with jon and ned dead then the Vale would fall to them to rule. IT had nothing to do with aerys was open handed when pleased. They didn't want a northerner to rule the Vale. So this was the simplest way to accomplish that without the blood being on their hands. The blood would be on Jon. I always found if strange that Aerys would over react like that and demand their heads. To wear a crown is to always be looking at your family and anticipating betrayal. So it stands to reason that he was demanding that he send their heads because they have serious claims to the throne if they should win a rebellion. By removing anyone with royal blood outside of the major cache of the house he's safe guarding his family. Only it appeared to the realm that Aerys was being cruel and that it was the madness that made him demand their heads and killing Brandon and Rickon. The realm doesn't know that Rickon was plotting to rebel and leave the realm of the iron throne and go back to the north being an independant nation, I'll get back to that. Little know fact about mediveal law. IF a woman is heir to property if she is unwed and kidnapped the kidnapper can force her to marry him and then her lands and incomes become his own because he's a male and her husband. That's food for thought later will I get into that . Just know that Ellinor of Aquitaine was in such a position which is why she married her cousin the french king and has they had 2 daughters after years of marriage they got annulment on the ground that they were first cousins before they wed. Which brings me to my point when she married the king her land got swallowed up by the french and became french territories until she married in to the English family and her lands passed to her son. Making his a very wealth king and ruler of broad lands in continental Europe and England Just a side note on history and how it ties into my theory. Back to that in a minute. Now the Maester Wylis is a hightower by birth with an anchmaester as a father. After he heads north he starts whispering into the lord of winterfell's ear. Telling him that out of all the kingdoms his is the one that is least governed by the IT. The last time someone of royal birth came to the North was when the dragonknight came north and fought one of your ancestors. Now the Starks are a line of kings unbroken for 8,000 years it was the dragons that Torrenhen bent the knee to and the dragons are all dead. Then there's this prophecy that there will be a PTWP and he will bring back the dragons but what if you could control that prophecy. Marry your daughter to the lord of stormsend. Through their children the lines of house Arryan, Targ, Baratheon and Stark will come together all under one child. Not to mention that this child will as so share ancestors to the Hightowers,Martells,and the Lannisters through the marriage when Castely Rock and the Starks went to war against the Ironborn who also have ties to house Stark through the GreyStarks. When King Jon Stark finished his war with the Iron born to get them out of White Harbor gave the wolf's den to his son and to join the peace with marriage to his daughter(this is speculation but it makes sense right everything after my Gullstown theory so pick it apart if you want but it makes too much sense in my mind not to be true. We have seen time and time again that the way to seal a pact is through the marriage of the two houses. So even though this is theoretical it fits ). So let me draw the lines of who the Royal families that the Starks are related to even remotely with a common ancestors. The lannisters, GreyJoys, Arryan, Martell, Baratheon, Bracken(kings at one time), Blackwood (which is why they are fighting to this day over a crown that hasn't exsisted for thousands of years but they are still a line of kings) Not to mention that the Lannisters are related to the First Men because Lann the Clever was rumored to be decantent from a line of the first men. His daughter married into an andalos family. The only house that they don't have ties to is house Tyrell and that's because they were stewards that were given Highgarden after their lord died. Yet Robert's mother was a florent and they have ties to the Garden Kings. So there you have it. By Lyanna and Rheagar would to have any children their child would be a child of the realm. Every major kingblood line would be combined into their child. That's what Jon is. The only vow that Jon has ever pledged would be to the realm. He's saying kings words when he's saying his Night's watch vows. Not to mention that the Starks have a decent that was King beyond the wall, who stole Brandon the daughterless who leaves a half stark king and half wildling king behind. There is power in kings blood and Jon has it coming out of his veins from every kingdom of the realm. "Now my watch begins,It shall not end until my death. I am the sword in the darkness, The watcher on the wall, I am the fire that burn against the cold, the light that brings the dawn, the horn that wakes the sleeper, the shield that guards the realms of men" Now I'm going to break those down and turn them to an oath that of a king swearing fealty to the realm. Now my reign begins, it shall not end until my death (that's self explanitor), I am the defender against injustice, the watcher to keep the realm safe, the life that burns against death, the life that brings hope, the horn that sounds the call, and the protector of the realms of men" He makes this pledge in front of the God's and soon after while he is praying to those same gods he burns the wright. He is burning his vows into his flesh. Blood magic the prayer, the vows and then the fire that spills his blood of the realms of men. Now we are lead to believe that the Tourney from Harrenhal was a ploy set up by Rheagar to meet as many lords as possible to call a grand council to remove his father from power. Now we know that Rickon's maester is a hightower. A member of the Kingsguard is a hightower and the citadel is no longer serving the realm but its serving itself. So let's say that this maester let's it slip and word gets back to Gerold Hightower. He knows how Aerys would deal with Ned, Robert, Lyanna, Rickon, Jon and Benjen expecitally with at this point Tywin is still hand. Total annihaliation of all of their houses. Dead fathers and sons lead no future rebellions. So he goes to the Prince and he calls the Tourney. He wants to take measure of Ned, Brandon and Lyanna. Notice the Tully's don't seem to be at the Tourney. I do believe that Rheagar found Lyanna attractive and he's been studing this problem about the PTWP. At the time of the Tourney he has no heirs and his wife is fraile. Plus she doesn't have all of the blood connections that Lyanna could bring to their child(probably not thinking all of that but at least some of it.)Yet him laying the crown of love and beauty was two parts. The first part was to show that he fancied her. The next part was to let Robert and company that he knows about the plot that they are cooking up. Which after he learns that his wife can't have anymore children. This only prompts him to look at the northern girl again. He's probably been thinking about the problem the entire time that he's back at the red keep waiting for Aegon to be born. So anyways he finds out that his wife can't have anymore children and that Aegon isn't even his. He takes the sign that the coment brought as it's a sign that he must get to Lyanna. Now remember when I told you about the laws and Ellinor Aquitanie. That's what happen to remove a threat to his families legacy and to try and forfill the phopecy he takes Lyanna. So there you have it. That is what i think is behind the whole was about. The citadel was trying to play with the prophecy. Mawyn told sam that he knew about the prophecy. It's because of him and his meddling when he sent his son to Winterfell that the whole war happened. It's perfect. Then look at this if you break down the Valyrians that's in jon's blood, then through the Martells there would be Nymeria's people who had kings blood. The Valyrians who ruled most of the east would have blood ties to other kings blood in the east. Like Volantis which wasn't always part of the free hold. Then there is the empire of Ghias. Then the Andals who migrated into Westeros. So through the Arryans he would be related to the past king line of the Andals. Oh my god. I did it. I did it. I only hope I'm right. All of the free cities have Valyrian blood even if they don't have the looks their blood is in the nobility by common ancestors. That would encampass all of westeros and Essos that jon would have a connection to through blood. Even if the tie is long lost it's still a part of his make up. The blood remembers and that's what the connections come in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alhazred Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Which POV Starks will be left standing?Do you mean "alive" in some sense? All of them. But neither Bran nor Jon will be "standing" in their human bodies. Which POV Lannisters will be left standing?Cersei will meet her end. Jaime is already dead, but he will nonetheless be left "standing" (shudder). Tyrion will be alive in some sense, but not necessarily "standing". Which POVs are most likely to die?Cersei and Victarion. Samwell, Jaime and Brienne are already dead, and will have no further POVs. This will not stop them from "appearing" in some sense, however. Will Dany have reached Westeros by the end of TWOW?I hate to say it, but no. Will The Others have invaded Westeros by the end of TWOW?Are you kidding? Hell no! Who will be on the Iron Throne by the end of TWOW?Faegon Who will hold Winterfell by the end of TWOW?I'll go with Stannis. What mysteries will Sam uncover in Oldtown?None. He has already been murdered and dumped in the river by the Evil Cabal he encountered. He has now been replaced by a Faceless Man. Will Cersei win her trial?Yes Is Aegon fake?Yes Is Jon still alive?Yes, warged into Ghost If so, will Jon have found out his true heritage by the end of TWOW (and how)?Hell no. What role will Dorne play?They will succeed in murdering children; and supporting Faegon; both of which will piss off Dany. What role will the Iron Islands play?No clue. So I'll just guess it won't come to pass just yet. Which mystery/theory would you most like to be solved in TWOW?No opinion. I only make predictions. Will any Starks be reunited in TWOW?No. Will Jaime help Stoneheart bring down the Lannisters/Freys?Un-Jaime will kill Cersei, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Starks Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Which POV Starks will be left standing?As in alive? then Bran,Sansa and jon(thou im not sure whether wel get to see him before spring,hes certainly not dead thou)arya: sigh,it saddens me to say but i think shel die before the end of the novel..but shel return as her wold Nymeria in the spring,with her wolf packs, to conquer Winterfell..so in a way wel get to see her again thou not as POV:(Which POV Lannisters will be left standing?Jaime, TyrionWhich POVs are most likely to die?Cersei, Asha, Victarion, JonCon, Arya stark(towards the end),TheonWill Dany have reached Westeros by the end of TWOW?YesWill The Others have invaded Westeros by the end of TWOW?Yes,breached the wall surelyWho will be on the Iron Throne by the end of TWOW?Stannis or Tommen stillWho will hold Winterfell by the end of TWOW?Rickon StarkWhat mysteries will Sam uncover in Oldtown?Faceless man conspiracy,may be more about the others and children of the forestWill Cersei win her trial?YesIs Aegon fake?YesIs Jon still alive?dead and resurrectedIf so, will Jon have found out his true heritage by the end of TWOW (and how)?Yes, through Howland reed or cryps of winterfellWhat role will Dorne play?they will certainly play a part to bring down the lannisters rule in the centre(cercie mainly) What role will the Iron Islands play?Not sureWhich mystery/theory would you most like to be solved in TWOW?Jon snow's parentage,also Cercie/jamie are secret TargsWill any Starks be reunited in TWOW?Jon/Sansa or Jon/bran.Will Jaime help Stoneheart bring down the Lannisters/Freys?Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jentario Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Which POV Starks will be left standing?All of them Which POV Lannisters will be left standing?Jaime, Tyrion, Cersei Which POVs are most likely to die?Asha, Victarion, JonCon, Barristan, Arianne, Brienne, Aeron and someone unexpected Will Dany have reached Westeros by the end of TWOW?Yes, 100% Will The Others have invaded Westeros by the end of TWOW?I have a feeling that the Wall will fall at the end of the book, so the invasion will only really begin in ADOS. Who will be on the Iron Throne by the end of TWOW?Aegon Who will hold Winterfell by the end of TWOW?Stannis will die, so maybe Rickon or Sansa. What mysteries will Sam uncover in Oldtown?The Citadel Conspiracy, the Faceless Men conspiracy, the truth about the others and Dragonsteel, the truth about Jon's identity (AA and RLJ) from Wylla herself (which is supposed to be in Starfall, very close to him). Also, Sarella = Alleras. Will Cersei win her trial?Yes Is Aegon fake?Yes. Cloth dragon and all. Is Jon still alive?Yes, warged into Ghost at the beginning, but after Mel works her magic he'll get his body too. The Wall will be a bloodbath, btw. If so, will Jon have found out his true heritage by the end of TWOW (and how)?Maybe, maybe not, but we as readers will know (from another POV if not Jon himself). And Wylla will deliver the news, not Howland Reed. What role will Dorne play?They will side with Aegon, take the Throne and realize (too late) that Aegon is fake and that they have royally fucked themselves into a war against the real Targaryan. What role will the Iron Islands play?They'll defeat the Reach and be at Meereen (either siding with Dany or stealing her dragons). I do think Euron is a huge wildcard, though, and have no idea what he's up to. Which mystery/theory would you most like to be solved in TWOW?The Others and some of Dany's HOTU prophecies. Will any Starks be reunited in TWOW?Arya and Stoneheart, Rickon and Sansa maybe and possibly Jon with them. Will Jaime help Stoneheart bring down the Lannisters/Freys?Yes, just with the Freys. ADDITION: What role will Arya play?She will give Stoneheart the gift of death, just like the Kindly Man's story of the first Faceless Men where a man prayed for vengeance but they killed him instead (to put him out of his misery). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dornishwoman's Husband Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Which POV Starks will be left standing?All of them, including Jon Snow. Which POV Lannisters will be left standing?Tyrion, Jaime, Cersei. Which POVs are most likely to die?Jon Connington, Victarion, Melisandre. Will Dany have reached Westeros by the end of TWOW?I don't think she will reach Westeros, but I think she'll be on her way. Will The Others have invaded Westeros by the end of TWOW?If the Wall falls, yes. Who will be on the Iron Throne by the end of TWOW?Aegon. Who will hold Winterfell by the end of TWOW?Stannis. What mysteries will Sam uncover in Oldtown?The origins of the Others, the truth about Maester's conspiracy, etc. Will Cersei win her trial?Yes, but with some huge losses. Is Aegon fake?No. Is Jon still alive?I think he'll be warged into Ghost at the start, but later he will return to his body. If so, will Jon have found out his true heritage by the end of TWOW (and how)?He will, either from Howland Reed, or maybe Bloodraven. What role will Dorne play?All of the Dorne will join Aegon. What role will the Iron Islands play?Euron will help the Other break through the Wall. Which mystery/theory would you most like to be solved in TWOW?The whereabouts of Benjen Stark. Will any Starks be reunited in TWOW?That's the final book story. Will Jaime help Stoneheart bring down the Lannisters/Freys?Freys maybe, but Lannisters, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeppelincheetah Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Which POV Starks will be left standing?Arya and Sansa Which POV Lannisters will be left standing?none Which POVs are most likely to die?Barriston, Cersei, Jamie and Tyrion Will Dany have reached Westeros by the end of TWOW?No, but she will be en route by the end. Will The Others have invaded Westeros by the end of TWOW?They will reach winterfell by the end of the book Who will be on the Iron Throne by the end of TWOW?(f)Aegon Who will hold Winterfell by the end of TWOW?Nobody, it will be abandonded What mysteries will Sam uncover in Oldtown?He will learn more about dragons and their influence on magic Will Cersei win her trial?No Is Aegon fake?No Is Jon still alive?yes, via ghost If so, will Jon have found out his true heritage by the end of TWOW (and how)?no, not in TWOW What role will Dorne play?They will rally behind Aegon against the Lannisters What role will the Iron Islands play?They will stay out of the action Which mystery/theory would you most like to be solved in TWOW?What really happened to Benjen Stark Will any Starks be reunited in TWOW?I have a feeling Rickon and Sansa might reunite. Will Jaime help Stoneheart bring down the Lannisters/Freys?What!?!?! hell no. why would he do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judson of Clintonville Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Which POV Starks will be left standing?Arya, Sansa, Bran. All Starks will survive the series in my opinion. Which POV Lannisters will be left standing?Jaime, TyrionWhich POVs are most likely to die?Barristan Selmy, Melisandre, Brienne, Cersei, DamphairWill Dany have reached Westeros by the end of TWOW?Ehh... Maybe. My toughts on her ultimate plan are below. Will The Others have invaded Westeros by the end of TWOW?Yes. They will have made it to the Wall or breached it. Who will be on the Iron Throne by the end of TWOW?Aegon.Who will hold Winterfell by the end of TWOW?Stannis. In the name of the Starks. I believe after he wins Winterfell he will be cornered by the GNC and offered the Dreadfort once the Boltons are erradicated. Storms End and Dragonstone will be his no more. He will have seen the power of the Old Gods through the Weirwoods and Melisandre will die at the Wall in the Others invasion. I believe the Northerns will want to win Stannis to their side, which he will do when he sees the Others invading. He is one of the last great Westeros generals, besides Tarly, and will be needed. He was a friend to the Starks and will be Rickon's Hand. What mysteries will Sam uncover in Oldtown?The role the Maesters have played in suppressing magic. Information about the Others. And how it all ties together. Dragons reignite Magic which awakens Others. Will Cersei win her trial?Yes, unfortunately. Dorne will play a role in the downfall of Margaery. Dorne wants Cersei alive because, in contrast to Aegon, no one will back her or her children. She will not live through the invasion of KL though. Is Aegon fake?Yes. Is Jon still alive?Alive somehow. Maybe not to return until A Dream of Spring. If so, will Jon have found out his true heritage by the end of TWOW (and how)?I am forced to say no. We, the reader will, through Bran or the re-emergence of Howland Reed who has been hiding the BWB in the Neck and assisting the GNC. What role will Dorne play?Huge. Backing fAegon to take the Iron Throne. Downfall of House Tyrell (or the severe weakening). Dorne will cautiously back fAegon but half heartedly. Doran will discover fAegon is a fake and switch to Dany when she lands in the Reach. By backing fAegon he ultimately prepares the realm for Dany by weaking the southern armies that much more. What role will the Iron Islands play?Huge. They will win the Battle of Mereen. Euron has been preparing the west coast of Westros for Dany's arrival. Remember: To go west, you must go east and pass beneath the shadow. Dany will head the direction Quaithe told her to, stopping in Asshai and then circumventing the globe to land on the west coast, probably in the Reach, which Euron has been softening up to prepare for her arrival. I believe he has been raiding the Shield Islands and the south to draw the Tyrells away from Highgarden so that when Dany lands she wil be able to take it with minimal effort then dig in to get the lay of the land with help from Tyrion. Which mystery/theory would you most like to be solved in TWOW?GNC. Will any Starks be reunited in TWOW?I wish, but no. Arya will return to Westeros but I have no idea on her mission. Sansa will somehow emerge as a player and command the Vale. The Vale's armies are the only untouched ones that will sorely be needed in ADOS. Will Jaime help Stoneheart bring down the Lannisters/Freys?I am not sure how this will go. My hunch is Brienne will not survive, and that Jaime will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 What role will the Iron Islands play?Huge. They will win the Battle of Mereen. Euron has been preparing the west coast of Westros for Dany's arrival. Remember: To go west, you must go east and pass beneath the shadow. Dany will head the direction Quaithe told her to, stopping in Asshai and then circumventing the globe to land on the west coast, probably in the Reach, which Euron has been softening up to prepare for her arrival. I believe he has been raiding the Shield Islands and the south to draw the Tyrells away from Highgarden so that when Dany lands she wil be able to take it with minimal effort then dig in to get the lay of the land with help from Tyrion. I know that this thread has been generally about what you think will happen but I have to comment on this. Euron has not softened up the reach, if anything he has made its conquest much harder. As we saw from Sam Oldtown is now on high alert, and the shield islands have been taken a long time ago as per Victarion in AFFC only half way threw. So he is not raiding the shield islands, he may very well defeat Garlan some how, or the Hightower in the tower might do something really stupid, but the reach was vulnerable when Euron took the shields, not after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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