JonCon's Red Beard Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 What about all the innocent men, women children and babies who were also butchered? They were going to grow up to disrespect Tywin... duh. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salafi Stannis Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 They were going to grow up to disrespect Tywin... duh. :rolleyes:Who could disrespect Tywin? He who inspired this song: "nd hoo r u" de prowd lor sed "dat I mus bou so loe. onlee a kat uv a difernt cote, das al da truf I knoe. in a cote uv gol nd a cote uv read, de liyn stil haz claus. nd mien r lon nd shawp mai lor, alson nd shawp ass urs."nd soe he spok n so he spok, dat lawd o castamiir, butt now da reinz wiip or hiz hal wif noone der to heer, yez now da reinz wiip orr hiz hal n not a sowl to heer. Da Reinz of Castamiir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nastydream Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Who could disrespect Tywin? He who inspired this song: "nd hoo r u" de prowd lor sed "dat I mus bou so loe. onlee a kat uv a difernt cote, das al da truf I knoe. in a cote uv gol nd a cote uv read, de liyn stil haz claus. nd mien r lon nd shawp mai lor, alson nd shawp ass urs."nd soe he spok n so he spok, dat lawd o castamiir, butt now da reinz wiip or hiz hal wif noone der to heer, yez now da reinz wiip orr hiz hal n not a sowl to heer. Da Reinz of Castamiir. is that a dubstep remix? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boarsbane Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Who could disrespect Tywin? He who inspired this song: "nd hoo r u" de prowd lor sed "dat I mus bou so loe. onlee a kat uv a difernt cote, das al da truf I knoe. in a cote uv gol nd a cote uv read, de liyn stil haz claus. nd mien r lon nd shawp mai lor, alson nd shawp ass urs." nd soe he spok n so he spok, dat lawd o castamiir, butt now da reinz wiip or hiz hal wif noone der to heer, yez now da reinz wiip orr hiz hal n not a sowl to heer. Da Reinz of Castamiir. Is that actually supposed to be funny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyBanana Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Is that actually supposed to be funny? It's only a joke, not a dick. Don't take it so hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boarsbane Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 It's only a joke, not a dick. Don't take it so hard. I wasn't taking it hard, I was wondering if intentionally misspelling a bunch of words is considered funny by people. Grow up junior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Warning Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Shouldn't you at least win a few battles in an impressive ways to be called a military genius?Like I said, I wasn't saying that Tywin's a military genius. I was just saying in general that losing battles and being a military genius aren't mutually exclusive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuem Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Go tywin woo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salafi Stannis Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 is that a dubstep remix? :cheers: :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donald*rain Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Super solid facial hair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay Gimp Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Maybe not, but Tywin wasn't just losing battles, he was losing the war. Against a 16 year old. Now if he was facing superior forces, like say Lee (who was a military genius, but still lost the war) during the civil war, that's one thing, but I would think the Westerlands were quite capable of beating the North and the Riverlands. Tywin did pretty much take out the Riverlands early in the war. But his position after that was extremely difficult. In addition to the Northmen, Tywin also had Stannis and Renly to contend with. He didn't actually have to face the Baratheons in battle until later, but his options against Robb Stark were extremely limited because of them. Also, Robb had significant victories against the Lannisters but Tywin successfully lured a huge portion of his forces away (by pressuring the Riverlords into splitting to protect their own lands) and turned half of Robb's "Kingdom" into a devastation. He also avoided making any fatal mistakes, unlike Robb and Stannis. And what wars has Tywin waged exactly? The one where he vastly outnumbered the Reynes or the one where he sacks the capital after waiting for the rebels to do all the work? Or the one where he gets his entire fleet destroyed by people like Euron & Vic? Read up about the Reyne-Tarbeck Rebellion, it was no easy feat and Tywin executed it brilliantly. New info about that war has come out http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/115331-tywin-the-commander/ Tywin was able to decisively end the war against the Targaryens while minimizing rebel casualties and ensuring a good position for his own House. But your statement about the Greyjoy Rebellion is just silly - anyone would have had their fleet burned in those circumstances. It was a surprise attack and the first military action by Balon; was Tywin supposed to use his crystal ball and predict the Iron Fleet sailing into Lannisport unprovoked? Not to mention the Lannister ships were most likely outnumbered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay Gimp Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Shouldn't you at least win a few battles in an impressive ways to be called a military genius? "Genius" is too strong a word for any commander in ASOIAF. But Tywin did win impressive battles in his youth. Read up about the Reyne-Tarbeck affair if you don't believe me http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/115331-tywin-the-commander/ In later years his battles were nothing special but his broad strategy remained excellent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalalOfDorne Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 I can definitely see the appeal of the CHARACTER, but will never understand his apologists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jslay427 Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 If Tywin is a military Genius than Robb is chuck Norris level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregor Clegane's head Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 If Tywin is a military genius than Edmure Tully is Hannibal tier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jslay427 Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Lector or Barca? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boarsbane Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 If Tywin is a military genius than Edmure Tully is Hannibal tier. What does that make Jaime for whooping his ass at Riverrun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay Gimp Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 If Tywin is a military genius than Edmure Tully is Hannibal tier. Edmure, who won one inconclusive battle after previously being crushed and captured by the Lannisters, and having his lands utterly devastated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jslay427 Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Edmure, who won one inconclusive battle after previously being crushed and captured by the Lannisters, and having his lands utterly devastated? Technically they were Hosters at that time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodor's Dragon Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 I find Tywin very entertaining and enjoyable as a character, but he gets terrible, terrible results. Everybody in his family hates each other, murderously so in some cases, his line is on the verge of extinction, and after ruling the kingdom for a couple of years it is on the verge of its worst disaster in centuries, and I'm not even talking about the Others, I'm talking about mass starvation. Much of the realms croplands were not worked during the last of autumn before the long, severe winter because they were in a war zone. He's really good at plotting, but that's about it. While we've been watching, we've seen his armies enjoy multiple losses to inferior forces and his family go straight downhill in pretty much every way you can measure it. He's dead, his daughter just got out of prison, one of his sons lost a hand after a humiliating military defeat, and the other son just escaped slavery on the other side of the world after fleeing his execution on this side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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