What was Olenna's plan for Sansa?

[Tysha's New Man]

It's been mentioned that Littlefinger stole away Sansa after Joffrey's death from the queen of thorns. My question is, and I'm sorry if it's already been talked about, what was Olenna's plan for her? Did she fit into the Grand Tyrell Conspiracy or was she simply to be kept in hiding until the Lannister alliance dissolved?

[Lion Of The Night]

Some will say that Lady O ment for Sansa to be blamed for the assassination. That doesn't make any sense to me. She risked trying to get Sansa to Highgarden to marry Willis, the heir to the Reach.... Sansa is the last known living heir to Winterfell, she is very important. Just because Tywin counteracted the Tyrell plan by marrying her to Tyrion, doesn't mean she gave up on her.

I think the plab was, kill Joffrey, have Tyrion implicated and executed. LF was supposed to get her out, deliver her to Highgarden, where she would hide out for a while, once Tommen was secure in his role as king Marg would have gotten him to pardon Sansa for any charges against her, then marry her to Willis as originally planned.

Then the Tyrells would have the Reach, control in the North, and Queen of the 7K....

[aryagonnakill#2]

LF didn't steal Sansa when he took her after murdering Joffrey, LF told Cersei about Olenna's plan to marry Sansa to Willas, which allowed Tywin to set up the wedding between Tyrion and Sansa, which kept her in Kings landing. The Tyrells did not intend on anyone getting blamed for Joffreys death, they didn't realize how insane Cersei was at the time.

[Baela of Pentos]

I don't think the Tyrells could have foreseen Joffrey's episode with Tyrion, where Tyrion got blamed with the poisoning. But did they know LF's plan to take Sansa away? Probably not, then Sansa is stuck with the hairnet of Stranglers.

Seems like if the poisoning comes to light, rather than everyone assume Joff choked on his food, they didn't care if someone else took the blame, including Sansa

[Sword of the Morgan]

I'm really not sure on this one. It's hard to know with Littlefinger involved.

[Lost Melnibonean]

It's been mentioned that Littlefinger stole away Sansa after Joffrey's death from the queen of thorns. My question is, and I'm sorry if it's already been talked about, what was Olenna's plan for her? Did she fit into the Grand Tyrell Conspiracy or was she simply to be kept in hiding until the Lannister alliance dissolved?

It was pretty simple, no? She intende to have Sansa wed to Willas to breed. Robb was an attainted traitor and Bran and Rickon were presumed dead. Sansa was the heir to Winterfell. Any trueborn sons of Willas and Sansa would have a claim to Winterfell. The marriage also would have given Mace additional leverage in any peace negotiations between Houses Stark, Tully, Lannister, Baratheon, and Tyrell.

[Dolorous22]

Lady Orella Has almost no faith in Mace Tyrell, that's for sure. I seriously doubt there was much of a plan for Sansa, she's looked at as damaged goods now and probably just though it would benefit the Tyrells to strengthen their ties with the heir to WF. It's just common sense, something that Mace clearly lacks. Mace is too busy dreaming about having a grandson on the IT. Way too eager to 'get into bed' with one of the most loathed families in Westeros.

As for LF's angle, I think that he wants to keep the North Stark free OR if the Stark dynasty is returned I bet he wants his hand in that.

[BRANDON GREYSTARK]

To marry her to Willas .

[John Suburbs]

Once the Willas plan fell apart, Lady O had to make one of two bad choices: either leaver her with the Lannisters or let LF have her. She chose LF because him controlling the north is a less immediate military threat than giving her to the Lannisters.

[Amoracchius]

Some will say that Lady O ment for Sansa to be blamed for the assassination. That doesn't make any sense to me. She risked trying to get Sansa to Highgarden to marry Willis, the heir to the Reach.... Sansa is the last known living heir to Winterfell, she is very important. Just because Tywin counteracted the Tyrell plan by marrying her to Tyrion, doesn't mean she gave up on her.

I think the plab was, kill Joffrey, have Tyrion implicated and executed. LF was supposed to get her out, deliver her to Highgarden, where she would hide out for a while, once Tommen was secure in his role as king Marg would have gotten him to pardon Sansa for any charges against her, then marry her to Willis as originally planned.

Then the Tyrells would have the Reach, control in the North, and Queen of the 7K....

I highly doubt that the Tyrells know that Sansa is with Littlefinger. He is playing a long game and she is a huge piece of his plans. It would be poor planning and very much out of character to leave a trail that could connect him to Sansa's escape.

[Lion Of The Night]

I highly doubt that the Tyrells know that Sansa is with Littlefinger. He is playing a long game and she is a huge piece of his plans. It would be poor planning and very much out of character to leave a trail that could connect him to Sansa's escape.

Whether LF was or was not part of the plan to spirit Sansa away after the assassination is conjecutre. Cersei's mad outburst may not have been part of the plan, but he entire realm knew Cersei hated Tyrion, that was no secret, nor was the fact that Tyrion had no love for Joffery, even going so far to strike him. Tyrion's threats to Joffrey durring small council mtg and durring his wedding was know to the gentry as well. It was not a big stretch to think that someone would blame Tyrion even if Joffrey looked to choke naturally.

I still take it that Lady O wanted Sansa. The Tyrells want power, and though the north is weakened, it is still a powerful seat to hold. Tywin knew that, so would the Tyrells.

If their plan went off without a hitch, it would have seen Sansa disapear, Tyrion either getting executed or sent to the wall, or even having a mortal accident of his own, then Sansa reapears, married to Willis.

LF just got to her first, and either betrayed the Tyrells by keeping her himself, or got her without them knowing.

[Colonel Green]

Per GRRM, the Tyrell plan was for Joffrey's death to be seen as choking, and, if that failed, that Sansa would take the blame (hence, the hairnet). Hence, Sansa's escape was not part of the plan, as far as the Tyrells were conerned; that was Littlefinger's secret innovation.

Now, if Tyrell Plan A comes off without a hitch and Joffrey "chokes", Sansa's still married to Tyrion; nothing much changes on that front. The Tyrells simply continue to assiduously assert control over the central government.

[lady jellybean]

I think they planed on blaming sansa.

1. No one could doubt she had a motive.

2. Her claim in the north is just on paper.

A. The boltons hold it now so it would have to be taken at great expense to them. The cost of feeding and moving the army would be outrageous plus to fight on unknown land and the other sides homeground is stupid.

B. Without lady she has no real proof she is a stark and not someone they dressed up to play her, and I doubt theon would tell and even if he did no one would believe him after jeyne.

3. No one in the north is claiming for sansa, most have prolly forgotten she exists. Yes there are some fighting for arya but thats a whole different siruation. the choice of starving to death or fighting for neds little girl.

4. She became spoiled goods when she married tyrion. Even if she proves her madien head is intact all someone has to say is that tryion wasnt big enough to break it. And as such no good to olena.

no once olena heard that sansa was to marry tryion she changed her long term goals of having a greatgrandson in the reach and the north she just found another way to use sansa. Off joff blame sansa and or tryion, marry marg to tommen and work with a less insane king. Olena's playing the long game. Its why I love her so much. She just didnt think sansa would escape.and really she wouldnt have if it hadnt been for littlefinger. Yikes does that mean LF is sansas knight in shining armor?

[SeanF]

Sansa was an excellent scapegoat for Olenna and Margaery. Nothing personal. But, she could be set up to take the blame for Joffrey's death.

They're probably not unhappy that she got away. But, had she been captured and executed, they wouldn't have lost any sleep over it, either.

[messem]

Sansa was an excellent scapegoat for Olenna and Margaery. Nothing personal. But, she could be set up to take the blame for Joffrey's death.

GRRM stated in an interview that the plan was that nobody will be blamed. It was supposed to look like an accident. But I agree that if the poison was detected Sansa's hair net would make her the prime suspect and a perfect scapegoat.

[Minstral]

If Olenna wished for Joffrey's death to be interpreted as a choking then perhaps getting Sansa to Highgarden would still be beneficial to her. This would also assume that she would eventually be put forward as Lady of Winterfell and Tyrion as her husband. Trying to form a solidarity between the Reach and the North might be in the Queen of thorn's interests considering the "allies" her son earned their house, and this can be achieved through relations if not marriage. Bolstering Sansa to rule in her own right would be in her interests, as well to Olenna's personal liking, as opposed to Tyrion ruling.

[SeanF]

GRRM stated in an interview that the plan was that nobody will be blamed. It was supposed to look like an accident. But I agree that if the poison was detected Sansa's hair net would make her the prime suspect and a perfect scapegoat.

Do you have a link?

[Pod The Impaler]

I think Olenna wanting to have Sansa marry Willas was genuine. Sansa's high birth and claim is quite a big deal, and Sansa's nature makes her quite a good prize as a wife and an ally of Highgarden. Impeccably ladylike, naturally graceful and kind, enthusiastic about marriage and babies and so on. Willas and Sansa might be quite happy together, and she seems to get along very well with Margaery.

Picture the playing field if they had succeeded in securing a betrothal. The Lannisters could not really say "no" to their main ally at that point (Tywin knew this, though a jerk like Joffrey might have tried anyway).

So Sansa Stark marries Willas Tyrell and moves to Highgarden, then Joffrey *ahem* suddenly dies (gee, what a pity). If the Lannisters win, Margaery can still be queen by marrying Tommen, but now the sadistic monster is removed (well, one down, two to go anyway). Through Sansa, the last living Stark who can inherit (as far as they knew), they can now plant little roses in Winterfell and perhaps even Riverrun. And if the Young Wolf somehow defeated Tywin (no Red Wedding happenned yet), the Tyrells can still have hegemonic influence over the Iron Throne and through Sansa's blood a way to make peace with the Starks and Tullys. Thus the Tyrells would have hedged their bets.

Once the Willas plan fell apart, Lady O had to make one of two bad choices: either leaver her with the Lannisters or let LF have her. She chose LF because him controlling the north is a less immediate military threat than giving her to the Lannisters.

This is quite possible.

In another thread, I did put out there that one possibility was the Tyrells knew and agreed to Littlefinger absconding with Sansa. Another was that they did not agree to this, but are well aware he has her and still doing nothing to catch her for the Lannisters. The third possibility was that they knew, and had plans in the works for her and for him. (And the fourth was maybe that they believed he killed her along with Dontos. It is not likely they'd fail to connect her disappearance with their co-conspirsator in Joffrey's murder.)

[Colonel Green]

In another thread, I did put out there that one possibility was the Tyrells knew and agreed to Littlefinger absconding with Sansa. Another was that they did not agree to this, but are well aware he has her and still doing nothing to catch her for the Lannisters. The third possibility was that they knew, and had plans in the works for her and for him. (And the fourth was maybe that they believed he killed her along with Dontos. It is not likely they'd fail to connect her disappearance with their co-conspirsator in Joffrey's murder.)

The other option is that the Tyrells don't know Littlefinger was involved in the plot, and so don't know what happened there. The degree of collaboration between Littlefinger and the Tyrells is the major remaining grey area in this plot. A lot of people (myself included) operated on the idea of direct face-to-face planning, but Littlefinger never actually claims that, and, while it's convoluted, it's possible that he basically just manipulated Olenna in the direction he wanted her to go.

Now, this isn't the case in the show, so that's a point for the former theory, but that may just be a minor difference (and it's one that may not really matter going forward).

[Lost Melnibonean]

Per GRRM, the Tyrell plan was for Joffrey's death to be seen as choking, and, if that failed, that Sansa would take the blame (hence, the hairnet). Hence, Sansa's escape was not part of the plan, as far as the Tyrells were conerned; that was Littlefinger's secret innovation.

Now, if Tyrell Plan A comes off without a hitch and Joffrey "chokes", Sansa's still married to Tyrion; nothing much changes on that front. The Tyrells simply continue to assiduously assert control over the central government.

Can you please point me to the relevant SSM?